Closing Arguments - Defense/Rebuttal
172 linesTHURSDAY, MARCH 2, 2023
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JUDGE NEWMAN: Good morning.
(Audience responded good morning.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: First off this morning, we have to deal with the issue involving the removal of a juror. A few days ago I received a complaint from a member of the public indicating that a juror had engaged in improper conversations with parties not associated with the case. I communicated and provided a copy of the communication to defense counsel. After court we then met with the juror on the record, and the juror denied any -- denied discussing the case with anyone not on the jury, or with anyone on the jury. She provided information that led us to -- the Court to contact the persons that she was suspected of having conversations with concerning the case. Those individuals were interviewed and provided an affidavit regarding the contact that the jury had -- juror had with them.
We then also brought those two individuals in and had a hearing on it in chambers and on the record in the presence of counsel yesterday, in which both of those individuals waffled on the nature and the extent of the contact. They also provided a recorded interview, or the State provided the Court an interview with the jurors, and I've reviewed that interview last night. So, the juror has had contact or discussions concerning the case with at least three individuals. And though it does not appear that the conversations were that extensive, it did involve the juror offering her opinion regarding evidence received up to that point in the trial that the conversation took place. And in order to preserve the integrity of the process and the interests of both the State and the defense in a fair trial, that juror will be removed and replaced by another juror. I will make a part of the record, under seal because of maintaining the confidentiality or identity of the jurors, I will place under seal the Court interview, affidavits received, and the -- and both discussions with counsel taking place on the record. And all of that will be made a part of the record in the case. And we will bring the juror out to inform her that she will no longer -- her services will no longer be needed. We will then replace her with an alternate juror. Any additional comments by the State or the defense?
MR. WATERS: Not from the State, Your Honor.
MR. HARPOOTLIAN: Your Honor, we do not except from your ruling. I just sat through everything you sat through, and it's muddled, but we would defer to your judgment. However, I think it's important for you to note on the record the interviews of these two people were done by SLED agents, one of who was named a witness in the case, and the other who is -- was listed in the notes as being one of the investigating officers. Just to note that again SLED has made some bad -- another bad judgment in this case. I'm not excepting from your ruling.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Yes, sir.
MR. HARPOOTLIAN: I'm just pointing out that this is just a continuum of a calamity of errors. Thank you.
JUDGE NEWMAN: And the Court has not had any discussion with any SLED agents concerning this issue. And all of the inquiry by the Court has been directly with the suspected parties involved and with the juror. And this is a matter that -- this long trial, with the intense publicity, is certainly difficult for any individuals to not have some exposure outside of the courtroom to information concerning the case, and to also be tempted to engage in discussions with others. But it is improper, it is contrary to my instruction to the jury daily, multiple times per day, and this juror unfortunately violated that order. So, if you will bring out Juror Number 785.
(Juror 785 entered the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Good morning. In your normal -- your normal spot is fine. Just remain standing for me. Good morning.
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Good morning.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Are you doing okay today?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Yes, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Okay. I have -- as you know we've had some discussions with you over the past couple of days concerning indications of conversations with a few folks not on the jury concerning the case and expressing some opinion about the case. I have reviewed everything, including statements given by individuals and the recorded interviews, and concluded that despite my order to not discuss the case with anyone, that intentionally or unintentionally you've had some discussions with some folks not on the jury and -- which is going to require me to remove you from the jury. You have been, by all accounts, a great juror and smiled consistently, and seemingly been attentive to the case and performed well, and I'm sure that with all of the time you've invested in it, you probably hate not to continue, or maybe you're ready to go, I don't know. But I certainly want to thank you for your service. I'm not suggesting that you intentionally did anything wrong, but that in order to preserve the integrity of the process and in fairness to all of the parties involved, we're going to replace you with one of the other jurors. Have you brought everything that you have outside --
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: It is in the jury room.
JUDGE NEWMAN: You left some stuff in there?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Yeah.
JUDGE NEWMAN: What do you have in there?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: A dozen eggs and my purse.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Say again?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: A dozen eggs and my purse.
JUDGE NEWMAN: A dozen eggs?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Yeah. One of the other jurors -- one of the other jurors brought in eggs for everybody from the farm, so eggs, my purse, and a water.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Are you going to leave the eggs? You want to leave the eggs or take the eggs?
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: I'll take the eggs.
JUDGE NEWMAN: You want to take the eggs. So, Mr. Bailiff, will you retrieve from the jury room her dozen eggs, her purse, and --
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: A bottle of water.
JUDGE NEWMAN: And a bottle of water. You can get those things from the jury room. As you know, the identity of the jurors are confidential, not known to the public, and the reason you are still where you are is that cameras are not allowed to videotape the jurors. And we have operated by juror numbers throughout the process, and we will continue to do so, and your identity will be kept confidential as far as the Court is concerned. We trust that in the event you decide you want to speak publicly about this case, that you wait until after the case is over. You're not encouraged at all to do so, but you have a right to speak to anyone you want to if you decide to do so.
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: A conversation with morning with Ms. Becky, was that related to you?
JUDGE NEWMAN: No. I have not spoken with her today. No, this is not related to -- I know you also had -- some conversation was brought up concerning your ex-husband, but that's not a part of this consideration at all. This is totally independent of any other conversation that he might have had concerning you; that's not part of the order of the Court. So, they're going to get your things, and then -- once you're removed from the jury, you can't go back in the jury room. You just -- we'll have to tell them goodbye for you. Thank you very much.
(The juror exited the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: We get a lot of interesting things but now a dozen eggs. Give her a chance to leave. She's gone?
(Break in proceedings.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Anything else before the jury comes?
MR. HARPOOTLIAN: Your Honor, have we picked an alternate?
JUDGE NEWMAN: Oh, right. When they come out we'll need to select an alternate, and the clerk has -- Do you have the remaining alternates in a box?
COURT CLERK: Yes, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Any objection to a blind selection of that alternate out of the box?
MR. WATERS: Not from the state.
MR. HARPOOTLIAN: Nothing from the defense, Your Honor.
(Break in proceedings.)
COURT CLERK: Juror Number 254.
MR. HARPOOTLIAN: 254?
COURT CLERK: 254.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Number 254 will become part of the panel, of the deliberating panel at this point. 254. Yes, sir, Mr. Griffin?
MR. GRIFFIN: Your Honor, before the jury comes in, early in my closing argument we have a blow up of the photos of Maggie, Paul, and the crime scene. I'm going to hold it up so the jury can see but the audience cannot see, and I'm just notifying Court TV to please don't display this blow up during the proceedings.
MR. MEADORS: Your Honor, can we look at it?
MR. GRIFFIN: Oh, sure. I apologize.
(Break in proceedings.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: You may bring the jury.
(The jury returned to the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Good morning.
(Jurors responded good morning.)
COURT BAILIFF: The jury is present, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Yes, sir. Thank you. And good morning one more time.
(The jurors responded good morning.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Day number twenty-eight. Welcome back. Juror number 254.
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Yes, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: You are now part of the first twelve jurors. We have thirteen. You are part of the first twelve panel at this time.
UNIDENTIFIED JUROR: Yes, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: And we continue with closing arguments as the defense's turn. Mr. Griffin.
MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you, Your Honor. Good morning.
(The jurors responded good morning.)
MR. GRIFFIN: Wow. We're at the stage of the case that's called closing arguments. I don't know why they call it argument. I'm not here to have an argument with you in any form or fashion, but what I'm here to do today, this morning, is to review the evidence with you that you have heard in the courtroom over the last six weeks. In reviewing this evidence, my goal is to address questions that you may have about what you've heard. And the jury system that we have, frankly, is the greatest criminal justice system in the world because it's the only system, jury system, that a criminal defendant's fate is put in the hands of his or her peers. In this country, we don't leave the decision of guilt or innocent up to the governor, the attorney general, to the prosecutors, or to the presiding judge. You, ladies and gentlemen, make that decision. And as perfect as our jury system is, there's one thing that I wish it provided: an interchange during the course of the trial between us.
Y'all are sitting there and listening to what we say, and we don't know what questions you have and what you want answered. By the same token, you know, we may have questions of you that we can't ask. Here is my opportunity to try and answer the questions that I think you have. There may be some things that I go over that you've already decided and I'm wasting your time, and if I do that, I apologize, I truly do. But I don't -- this case is so important, I don't want to leave anything out that one of you may have a question about. I think I can probably speak to everybody in this courtroom, that's there one thing that we on this side have no questions about is that y'all have been ideal jurors. We've been here six weeks, and each of you have come every day on time, and you've been very attentive, and it has not gone unnoticed, and we do appreciate you for your service. We know what a sacrifice it is being away from your home, your work, your family, your personal obligations.
Maybe some of you missed vacations, but you've been here in a three week trial and here we are at the end of six weeks. And I want to thank you personally, I want to thank on behalf Mr. Harpootlian, Mr. Barber, Ms. Fox, and especially on behalf of Alex Murdaugh. In his opening statement, Mr. Harpootlian explained to you that the law of governing your service requires each of you to engage in an unnatural task. In every criminal case, jurors are required to begin the process by presuming the defendant innocent. In this case, you were required under your solemn oath as we began to presume Alex Murdaugh innocent of these charges, and frankly, as he explained, that's not natural. When you hear on the news that a crime has occurred and an arrest has been made, you feel a little bit relieved. Thank God they caught him.
And, frankly, I would not be surprised if some amongst you when you read in the paper that Alex Murdaugh was charged with the murders of his wife and son, that you thought, oh good, they got him. But those opinions -- and each of you when you filled out your questionnaire agreed and affirmed that you would leave those at the door of the courthouse, and that you would decide this case solely on the evidence, and that's what the law requires. And when we began, the law also requires you to presume him innocent of these charges. Now, I've been doing this a long, long time, and I've -- up until the advent of instant replay in sports, it's been very difficult to explain just how to do that to jurors, how jurors can do this, apply this presumption of innocence. And if you're not interested in sports, I apologize for this analogy, but the analogy is the instant replay.
Whether you're a Clemson fan or a Georgia fan, that on a Saturday afternoon there's a play called on the field, and then it's reviewed. And under the rules, the call on the field stands unless there's visual and incontrovertible evidence that the call on the field was wrong. We see that every weekend on sports. Here the call on the field is that Alex Murdaugh is innocent, innocent of these charges. That's what the law requires, and that unless and until the State proves his guilt to each one of you individually, voting individually, proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, then that presumption of innocence stays with him. You're not being tasked here to give your opinion in this trial. You're being tasked to apply the constitution, the bedrock principles that protect us all from the government, and those bedrock principles are, first, you get tried by a jury of your peers. Second, that the jury of your peers begin with presuming innocent.
And third, that you will remain innocent until the government, if they can, proves to you individually in your mind that the person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, the Judge will give you jury instruction on what that means, beyond a reasonable doubt. But the definition has been defined that reasonable doubt is doubt that would cause a reasonable person to hesitate when making an important decision in their personal affairs, such as to buy a house, get married, any consequential decision. And you will be making, you will be making, when you get this case probably later this afternoon, you will be making one of the most consequential decisions that you will have ever made in your life, I suspect. I don't know all of your backgrounds, but it will be a very consequential decision.
And if the proof that the State has put before you causes you to hesitate when you go to fill out that vote as you're deliberating in your jury room -- each of you will have a vote, and you will have the right to vote guilty or not guilty, and each of you will write it down. If there's any reasonable cause for you to hesitate to write guilty, then the law requires you to write not guilty. This burden of proof that we have -- many of you may have experience with civil cases, and in civil cases the burden of proof is much lower, and it's called by a preponderance of the evidence. And you may have seen lawyers, or judges, or watched on TV as they give a visual image of Lady Justice, who's blind, and who's blindfolded so she doesn't -- is not biased for one side or the other, and there's scales on Lady Justice, and those scales are the scales of justice.
And in a civil case, if one party proves their case by a preponderance of the evidence, meaning ever so slightly tilt those scales in their favor, then they're entitled to the verdict. There's another heightened level of burden of proof in a civil case called by clear and convincing evidence, and the law requires things like to prove fraud or some intentional acts, you have to prove by clear and convincing evidence, and that's an intermediate level of proof. And so it's not just tilt the scales ever so slightly in the favor of the party that prevails, but you have to get sort of three quarters of the way there. But now proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof the law recognizes, and it is you have to tilt the scales all the way to one side in order for the State to meet their burden. A little bit about the verdict. You will have an option of guilty or not guilty. My friend Dick Harpootlian over here, is a -- he travels a lot.
He has been to a lot of countries, and he frequently -- he recently returned from Scotland where he attended a jury trial in Scotland. And he tells me it's much like this except the lawyers wear a wig. I might benefit from something like that, but in Scotland it runs about the same until it gets time to the verdict in a criminal case. And the jury in Scotland, where we derive our laws from, they are given three options. One option is guilty, the second option is not guilty, and the third option is not proven. Not proven. Now, here in America we have combined the verdict of innocent and not proven into one of not guilty. And so when you go to render your verdict, if it's a verdict of not guilty, it's either you concluded that the defendant is innocent of the charges, or that the government has not met their burden of proof, their heavy burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Now -- and one of the reasons that defendants are presumed innocent and the government has such a high burden is because in criminal cases, the defendant really doesn't have the ability, doesn't have the resources, doesn't have the lawful authority to execute search warrants, subpoena documents to prove his or her innocence. And so a defendant cannot secure a crime scene, cannot lift a crime scene for fingerprints, shoe wear impressions, cannot secure telephones to get electronic data in the course of an investigation, so the defendant is limited on what they can do. In this case on 9 -- on June 7, 2021, Alex Murdaugh called 911, and Officer Deputy Greene, and then followed by other deputies, rolled up on the scene. And he is standing on his property, his wife and son lie dead in a pool of blood each -- she's within yards of him -- and he's just put a shotgun down. He just put a shotgun down. And what would that look like 90 out of 100 cases when the officer rolls up?
It would look like the person who had the shotgun and two dead bodies may have done it, probably would have done it. Certainly it's someone who should be strongly considered, and all of the officers in this case told you that. Deputy Rutland said, yeah, Alex Murdaugh was a suspect. But there were a lot of suspects out there. Everybody was a suspect. Fair enough. Agent Owen says, well, you know, we have a circle, an investigative circle, and it starts with immediate family members, particularly if they found the deceased, the victims. So, he's in the circle by virtue of calling 911, and that's fair enough. But what doesn't strike us as fair is that the next morning on June the 8th, after the gruesome murders of Maggie and Paul, this is what is issued, a joint press release by Colleton County and SLED that says: At this time, there's no danger to the public. At this time, there's no danger to the public. You have two people who have been executed within -- y'all were out there.
I don't know, is it 100 yards, 200 yards from Moselle Road? They've been slaughtered. And at this time there's no danger to the public? Does that tell you that on June 8th, law enforcement had decided it had to be Alex Murdaugh? It's a fair question for you to ask yourself. It's a question that's not been fairly answered in this trial. But we know from the June 7th or June 8th, Alex is a suspect and he's in the circle, and from that day forward he is at the mercy, he is at the mercy of the ability of SLED to exclude him from that circle. They have the ability to do the forensic work, they have the ability to interview witnesses, and they have the ability to gather electronic data, and we believe that we've shown conclusively that SLED failed miserably in investigating this case. And had they done a competent job, that Alex would have been excluded from that circle a year ago, two years ago, but he would have been excluded. What did you hear from the witness stand?
You heard from Chief Barry McRoy. I didn't know Chief McRoy until I got involved in this case, but his reputation is outstanding and he's a consummate professional. And he explained that when he got there, he was concerned that cars would be pulling up, and there's some tire tracks that were not being protected, and that they could have evidentiary value. And then you heard from Mark Ball, who had a conversation with chief -- I mean, excuse me, Sheriff Hill, who's another fine public servant here, and he also -- I mean, we've got to stop cars from coming in here to preserve these tire impressions, and it was not done. It was not done. Captain Chapman from the Colleton County Sheriff's Office, he testified about seeing other sets of tire tracks.
As you have came in off Moselle Road, you probably saw where Deputy Greene's vehicle had stopped right at the kennels, but then on the other side where you saw that Alex was parked and pacing on some of these videos, that's where Captain Chapman had talked about seeing tire tracks, and he tried to track them. SLED was coming on, and then it was -- it was like a trail to nowhere. It was a trail to nowhere. Deputy Rutland talked about seeing hair in Maggie's hands, as you'll recall. You didn't hear anything about the hair in Maggie's hands from that moment forward. Was it tested? Was it sent off for analysis? There was no evidence of what, if anything, happened to the hair in Maggie's hands. Was it as a result of a struggle with her assailant? Was it her own hair? We don't know the answer to that. We know they failed to take fingerprints from the feed room, and they should have.
They failed to properly take footwear impressions from the feed room, or at the apron right outside, and I think that's -- I mean, I don't think that's uncontradicted. The -- Agent Worley, who was doing the best she can, did not go there to document footwear impressions, did not do that. You heard from our expert, Mr. Zerci, what is required. And I believe Dr. Kinsey also agreed that it was not done. I know Mr. Palmbach did. And both -- now, I'll get to the shot angles in a little bit, but both Dr. Kinsey and Mr. Palmbach have this murder for Paul standing on the concrete, standing on the concrete, whether one foot is in, one foot is out, both feet are in. But there should have been footwear impressions but we'll never know because it was not preserved. It was not taken. The thing that has baffled us, has completely baffled us is why do they never take DNA samples off of Maggie's clothes, her dress? Why did they never take DNA samples off Paul's clothes? They never did.
They never did. And we asked their investigator. Why didn't you? Well, that's somebody else's job. That's somebody else's job. It was never done. But you know whose clothing they took DNA off of extensively? Alex. And you heard Agent Zapata talk about all the different grids on the shirt where DNA was -- samples were taken. Was Alex assaulted on June the 7th? No, he wasn't assaulted. Was Alex wrestling with the assailant on June the 7th? There's no evidence of that. So, why are they taking DNA evidence off Alex's clothing in June of 2021? And there's only one reason, and it goes back to this right here. There was only one reason, only one reason is that they had decided that, unless we find somebody else, it's going to be Alex. Unless we find somebody else, it's going to be Alex. The -- and I'll get into more detail about Maggie's phone, and Maggie's phone was not secured properly. Maggie's phone was -- well, let me just go right into it.
Maggie's phone was found on the side of the road in the morning of, or early afternoon, on June the 8th. Whoever killed her threw that phone on the side of the road without a doubt, without a doubt. Alex from the get-go has said you get Maggie's phone, you get my phone, and you get my OnStar data, and you will not see my car traveling down the road with Maggie's phone because it did not happen. It could not happen. Detective Owen, have you gotten it yet? No, no, we've not. We sent the black box from -- on the Chevy to the FBI. It was a new model. Turns out the data is encrypted, and so we haven't got it yet. Well, what about General Motors? I'll do what I have to do, whatever I can do and said, well, you know, we're looking into it. We're looking in to it.
Well, what we learned during this trial is, sure, SLED sent a subpoena via fax machine to somebody in Detroit, I believe, and whoever got it in Detroit, whether there was a number off, I have no idea what the reasoning was, but we do know the initial response was we don't have anything. We don't have any OnStar data that you're looking for. There's no indication that SLED followed up with a phone call; there's no indication that SLED followed up with a letter. There's no indication SLED did anything other than put it in a file, put the response in a file, and that was it. That was it, ladies and gentlemen, until somebody watching this trial somewhere contacted somebody at General Motors and said why don't you guys cooperate with the FBI and SLED on this investigation? Well, what are you talking about? So Friday, you know, during some time the last six weeks, low and behold, here comes all of the OnStar data that you got to see.
And that would be great, that would be great but for the fact that when they seized Maggie's phone it had -- they put it in airplane mode. They knew how to put it in airplane mode. Excuse me. I'm losing my voice. Let me get some water. I apologize. That pollen is something else. The -- they put it in airplane mode. But what you'll see -- I've got a photograph -- is the location services were still on, meaning still pinging off GPS satellites, and the phones don't hold that much memory. They hold a lot of data, as we have learned, but they don't hold that much memory, and it writes over itself. And for GPS location services, the ping points that we see from Paul's phone on all of that data, that would have been on Maggie's phone for the 7th but for the fact that it wasn't extracted until some time in -- like, June 16, I think that's the date. If I'm wrong I apologize, but it was around the middle of June.
And that pinging information that we see on Paul's phone from Maggie's phone, it goes back to June the 9th. Well, a lot of good that does, a lot of good that does, but we don't have it. We would have had it had they extracted it earlier. Now, Agent Dove says we didn't have enough data and upgraded software that would read it. It took us awhile to get it. I don't know why it took them awhile to get it. There was really no explanation about that. But you heard about Faraday bags, put it in a Faraday bag so it's not pinging against satellites, not overwriting. They didn't do that, and it's lost.
And had they done it, I hope we wouldn't be here, I hope because I know it would say, because we have enough evidence in the record, and we have to go around our elbow to get to our thumb to get there, but there is evidence in the record to show that Alex Murdaugh was not driving down the road, Moselle Road, with Maggie's phone in the car and tossed it at whatever time when it went by at 9:08. I don't know what time they think it was tossed. But that would have gotten him out of the circle, I would hope, but probably not because they've been so focused on him. Now as I mentioned, Alex asked multiple times -- I think the testimony was five times -- Agent Owen, Agent Owen, you know, if you get this data, it will show I wasn't there. And, you know, we were -- we didn't learn why they didn't get it off of Alex's phone until very recently. Because on -- you'll remember on June 10th he gave SLED his phone. Yeah, you can copy it.
Please copy it because it will show -- it'll show that I wasn't with - - driving -- that my phone was not with Maggie's phone at any point in time going down the road, and I did what I said I did. Well, they did extract it, but what we've learned is that the extraction was a superficial extraction, not because Alex requested it. That's just what they did. Said a logical surface extraction. So, they didn't go in and pull out any GPS pinging data like you see on Paul's phone. They didn't get it off Alex's. Now, if Alex had not made those requests to Owen -- and they are disputing that -- it's one thing you can be 100 percent sure of is they would have come, Detective Owen, up here on the witness stand during their rebuttal case to say, no, he's lying. He didn't ask that of me. I mean, they got Sheriff Smalls in here to say I didn't give him permission to put a blue light in his car.
They came and challenged whether he had authority from the sheriff, or maybe a deputy sheriff, to put a blue light in his car. But they didn't contradict anything he said about I've been asking, I've been asking, I've been asking for that data that would get me out of the circle. And now we know why it took so long to get the stuff from -- get the stuff from his car is because the -- General Motors -- I mean, it's because the FBI wouldn't go to General Motors on this event data and they were -- the FBI was up there and they bought a Suburban. They're riding it around and they're reverse engineering all of these systems to try to come up with reports, and then they come in here and tell you, well, it's not complete, some of it is inaccurate, but this is what we got. And during the middle of all of that, that's low and behold we get OnStar. Thankfully we did, thankfully we did.
But -- so then we roll in to Labor Day weekend of 2021, where Alex's longtime drug problem, his financial issues, misconduct were exposed, and that made him an easy, easy, easy target for SLED. And I hate to say this, but the evidence is crystal clear: from that moment, they started fabricating evidence against Alex. Now, Mr. Griffin, that's an awful, awful charge. Don't all lawyers accuse law enforcement of fabricating evidence? And, you know, I can tell you this guy right here was a federal prosecutor, was a state prosecutor, and some of my best friends are on law enforcement, and I don't make that claim lightly. Here what you have heard is they came up with a report that says Alex's t-shirt had high velocity blood spatter on it, high velocity blood spatter. What's that? That means you're within feet of a shooting, and they didn't just say any shooting.
It said -- in their report it says as a result of Paul's murder, high velocity blood spatter on the shirt as a result Paul's murder. That was number one. Let's stick to number one. Why do I say that it's fabricated? Well, you heard Agent Zapata said we did hematrace confirmatory blood tests on that shirt. That means there was two types of tests. There was a presumptive test, which is when they use a product called LCB that makes it turn purple where it might be blood, but it turns purple on other agents as well, including bleach, you heard. And you also heard that the shirt came out of the bag wet it and smelled like detergent. Anyway, they spray it, it turns purple in places, so they think, well, that must be blood. The next thing they do at the SLED lab is they do a confirmatory test to see if it's blood. Zero for 74, not blood, not blood. That didn't stop -- that didn't stop SLED from going out and pursuing with vengeance this report.
They didn't give the no blood test result to the guy in Oklahoma. And when it surfaced, when it surfaced, they had a problem on their hands, and they were pushing it up until this trial. And you heard the testimony from the stand that they went from Mr. Bloody Shirt leading up to this trial to Mr. Clean during this trial, and they asked him, and they raise issues during the trial with Blanca. Where were his clothes? No one is asking about the man's clothes that he had on the Snapchat video back in -- at 7:00 with his son until November or so, I think is what she said. I mean, the issue of changing clothes, it was late to the dance because when they went to -- as you heard, when they went to the Colleton County Grand Jury to get an indictment that you're going to be deliberating on, they told that grand jury they had an expert report that says high velocity blood spatter.
And I asked Agent Owen, I said when you went to the grand jury and you fabricated the report, how did you not know -- he was chief investigator -- how did you not know that there's a hematrace test that says there's no blood? Well, I didn't get the email. And I say it in somewhat jest, but, you know, did the dog eat his email? I mean, how does a lead investigator in the case not get the lab report that says there's no blood on the shirt? Now, ultimately it was produced to us and we were raising cane about it and say how can you say this on one hand and that on the other hand? And here we are with a Mr. Clean theory, that he washed off. After brutally murdering Maggie and Paul, he takes a hose and washes himself off, and gets in a golf cart butt naked, I guess, and drives to the house. So, that's the blood spatter fabrication. The other is, is this blue raincoat with GSR, and you remember that testimony. Shelley Smith, who worked for Ms. Libby and Mr.
Randolph, had told SLED after September, after Alex has had -- the problems have been exposed, after she had a conversation with a Allendale police officer following an accident investigation where she was in an accident, that on the morning she said in here on -- as she told you on Wednesday after Mr. Randolph's funeral -- and that turned out to be, I think, June 16th -- that Alex shows up at the house at Almeda at, like, 6:30 in the morning, knocking, trying to get in, and he has a blue tarp. And in this blue tarp he -- she lets him in and he goes upstairs with this blue tarp. He comes back downstairs, he lays this blue tarp out on Ms. Libby's retirement rocking chair for -- in the living room, and then he leaves. And then she leaves to go to her day job, and when she left, the blue tarp was laying out on Ms. Libby's rocking chair. I mean, that was her testimony. And so SLED gets that, gets a search warrant, goes to Almeda, and they seize a blue rain jacket.
They seize a blue rain jacket. And when they do, they take that blue rain jacket, and they show it to just about every family member -- let me get it right quick -- that they can think of, and it's Defendant's 87. Doug, if you can pull it up? But they show this blue rain jacket to as many family members as they can get in contact with, and the rain jacket is -- and no one recognizes it. No one sees it. No one says Alex ever wore it. No one has said Paul has ever worn it. No one has said Buster has ever worn it. No one said Maggie has ever worn it. Have not seen this blue rain jacket. Has not seen this blue rain jacket. One more thing about this blue rain jacket. When they did the search at Almeda, when they did the search at Almeda, John Marvin was there. And John Marvin asked them, well, did you find anything? And they said, well, we found the blue rain jacket back on the property. Back on the property. Back on the property.
And he said, well, you know, my dad drives a buggy around. Maybe it fell off the back of his buggy. Clearly John Marvin was understanding that it was back on the property, and then they asked him to come look at the blue rain jacket, and he was told it was found in the closet. He was told it was found in the closet. And he said that didn't sound right. And they never clarified it. Now, here is a picture -- I'm not going to put it up -- but 411 is a picture of this closet, and you can see the blue rain jacket that's sort of folded up and stuffed down here at the bottom right. That's the blue rain jacket. And apparently right before this trial, they showed Shelley Smith this picture and said does that look like the blue tarp you saw? And she goes, well, yeah, sort -- yeah, sure it looks like it. They never showed her this. They never showed her this. And she said this -- and when I'm saying this, it's Defendant's 87; it's on the screen. She'd never seen this.
She'd never seen this. But they did GSR testing on this, and it says whew, that's a high. It's high. A lot of GSR on that. A lot of GSR on that. Manufactured evidence, ladies and gentlemen. And then -- and then -- then there's this issue of misrepresenting what are the type ammunition found in the shotguns at the residence at Moselle. Paul was murdered with a -- first shot was a buckshot through his chest. He was turned this way, went in here, and then out under his arm, and that was buckshot. The second shot was in the head, either, depending on what expert and what pathologist, it was either this way or this way, but into the head, and that was steel duck shot. I learned that you can't shoot ducks with anything but steel pellets because they don't want lead in the water, so you've got to have steel pellets.
And then Agent Owen testified, admitted begrudgingly, that he had testified to the grand jury that there were four weapons found up on the property in the gun room, 12 gauges, that were loaded -- or I'm not saying 12 gauges, I'm sorry, four shotguns that were loaded with buckshot and birdshot. There's four other ones, so that matches. Well, guess what? Totally not true. That was totally not true. And he admitted on the stand it was not true. He admitted telling Alex during that interview, and he said, well, I can do trickery, and we'll see that shortly, but he -- and I said are you trying to trick the grand jury? Oh, I didn't say that. Well, we walked through it and he did say it, and he didn't remember it. And you'll remember the testimony, and I said, well, people make mistakes, don't you? Yeah, that was a mistake. And it's okay to make mistakes, right? Yeah. And you can make mistakes about the time. Well, that's the most common things people mistakes about.
It's not all right for Alex Murdaugh, who's in the center of the circle, who's -- it's not all right for him to make mistakes about time. It is not all right according to the same investigator who says it's okay to -- missed this part -- but here we go, then Eureka. Eureka. They finally get into Paul's phone in April of 2022 and see Alex -- well, they don't see Alex. They see Cash, the dog, and they see Paul's feet walking around, and they hear voices in the background, and one of them sounds like Alex, and off they go. They go off and get an indictment from the Colleton County Grand Jury relying upon high velocity blood spatter, relying on four guns having the same load, and relying upon a rain jacket that has got GSR on it, and Alex is lying about being down at the kennels. Now, we know after we've been here six weeks, of those four things --
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MR. GRIFFIN: I am so sorry, that was not -- I'll turn it off. What we know is three out of those four things that was presented to the Colleton County Grand Jury that you're going to be deliberating on for the indictments that were returned aren't true. No blood spatter. No GSR rain jacket that's ever been connected to Alex whatsoever. And there's no loaded gun. So, we're left with the lie. We are left with the lie. Now, Alex lied about being down at the kennels and Almeda. And why did he lie? And that is certainly a fair question, and that's -- and, frankly, I probably wouldn't be sitting over there right now if he had not lied. But he did lie, and he told you he lied, and he told you why he lied. He said he lied because -- I mean, I tell you he lied because that's what addicts do, addicts lie. He lied because he had a closet full of skeletons, and he didn't want any more, any more scrutiny on him, which is the most ironic thing in the world because depending on which day of the week, their theory is that he slaughtered his wife and son to distract from an impending financial investigation, but he puts himself in the middle of a murder investigation, and he puts himself in the spotlight of a media fire storm. That is their mode of evidence, and we'll get to that. But he lied. He lied because his drug paranoia kicked in, and he was clearly in the throws of addiction. He lied for all of those reasons. But what he didn't lie -- what he didn't lie for is because he was covering up for the fact that he killed Maggie and Paul. That is not the reason he did it. Doug, will you play the dog kennels video, please? We're going to -- I'm going to play the dog kennels video. Please listen to the voices.
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MR. GRIFFIN: 4 minutes later, the State would have you believe that Alex Murdaugh up and blew his son's brains out of his head and murders his wife after having that conversation about Bubba having a chicken or a guinea. 4 minutes later. Their case wants you to believe that this is a family down at the dog kennels doing what families do. They're checking on a dog tail. Bubba is out running around, and they're saying Bubba, he's got a chicken. Now, why would Alex not want law enforcement hear that? I mean, there's nothing on that tape. There's nothing on that tape that indicates there's any strife, any conflict, any anger, any planning, anybody being afraid, anybody running, anybody scurrying. Nothing. Just Maggie, Paul, and Alex down at the kennels, that's it. And their timeline is based on the fact that -- this automatic thing kind of messed me up, but the point I was going to, to open this up and say under their theory, if your phone is not moving for some period of time, you're dead right then. You could be run over and in the trash 2 hours later, but if you're not answering a text 2 minutes after you receive it, you're dead at that point, and that's their case. That is their case on the time of death is the phone stopped moving. You're dead. You've heard testimony from a lot of witnesses. I would say practically every witness who took the stand who actually knew Alex and Maggie and Paul and Buster testified under oath how much Alex adored Maggie, how she was his all. Some people described Paul as Alex's best friend, his relationship awesome, and that was unanimous. Unanimous. I want to just play briefly a clip from Blanca's testimony about Alex's relationship with Maggie.
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MR. MEADORS: Your Honor, can we approach?
(A bench conference was held.)
MR. GRIFFIN: Please continue, Doug.
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MR. GRIFFIN: Now, this was her testimony from the witness stand. And then in every trial there's -- you hope you find, you know, some very authentic witness, part of the fabric of America that comes in this courtroom, and we had it in this case, and it is Dale Davis. And I want you to remember what Dale testified about Alex's relationship with his family. Will you play Dale Davis?
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MR. GRIFFIN: That was Dale Davis. Which brings us to the question. Why? Why, why, why, why would Alex Murdaugh on June 7th execute his son, Paul, and his wife, Maggie, who he adored and loved? Why? The State's theory is that it was a storm a-coming, clouds were arising, and that his financial house of cards is about to collapse and he's about to be exposed, and because of that he does what every rational person would do, go kill your wife and son. That is their theory of motive. That is their theory of motive, that it -- oh, and it worked, too, by the way, because he killed his wife and son guess what? Jeannie Seckinger quit asking questions for a few weeks. Oh, and the boating case, whoa, that won't be anything now that his wife and son have been murdered because he's sympathetic. Have you heard of such? One thing Mr. Waters and I agree on is the best thing about jurors is you bring your common sense in here, and you use your common sense, and that's what it's all about.
That's with you're collective wisdom. And just collectively think, individually think. What kind of sense does that make? Alex's financial house is a wreck. He was stealing money from clients. He's got to produce a financial statement maybe in a hearing coming up. And his dad goes back in the hospital that day. His dad goes back in the hospital that day and he dies a few days later. Okay. So, I get a call, Jenny comes in, my dad is in the hospital, Paul is coming home. That would be a good time to kill Paul, wouldn't it? That is their theory of the case, and if you don't accept that beyond a reasonable doubt, ladies and gentlemen, I submit the verdict has to be not guilty because there's no reason for him to do it. No reason whatsoever. Now, you've heard a lot of the testimony about these financial crimes, misdeeds, and he told you he did it. He told you he did it to support a very expensive drug habit.
And none of that is an excuse, but he is an addict, and addiction is real, and addicts lie, addicts cheat, addicts steal to keep getting their drugs. The evidence was permitted in this case for you to hear solely to consider did he murder his wife and son because he had this storm a-coming, and he was going to be exposed. Is that why he murdered? That's what they say. That's why he -- and that's why you're allowed to consider it. Now, Judge Newman in his jury instructions will tell you that's all you can consider it for. You can't consider it by saying, man, I never knew he could do that. So if he could do that, he must be able to do the most heinous crimes in the world, kill his wife and son execution style. That's a no-no use of that evidence. The only permissible use of the evidence is, is that sufficient provocation, motive, for him to kill his wife and son? Is it sufficient motive, not provocation.
And the evidence in the case is that there was no impending financial doom on June 7th. June 7th was a day which, frankly, was no different than any other day in the frenetic lifestyle of Alex Murdaugh. He had so many balls in the air, and even -- I forgot his paralegal's name, and I apologize to her, I think Kristi, she said he would come in like a Tasmanian Devil. I mean, he was frenetic. And they were on to this $792,000 fee in the Faris case, and they were asking questions of Chris Wilson's office. But the reason they were concerned -- they weren't concerned that he was stealing money. They were concerned he was sheltering money, trying to hide it from being disclosed in the boating litigation, which he was a defendant, and they didn't want any part of that. And that situation with the boating -- I mean, excuse, me with the Faris fee, as Ms. Seckinger, Jeannie Seckinger said, that was a one-off.
That was completely on its own, different type conduct than all of the other stuff that you've heard about. That was a one-off. And what happened on June 7th? She says I'm in his office, and he gets a phone call that his dad is put back in the hospital and, and she thinks that he told her it was terminal. He may have, I don't know, he may have, but his dad was put back in the hospital. He wasn't terminal that day, but the next day he got a terminal diagnosis. The -- in any event, she takes off her CFO hat and puts on her mama bear hat and hugs him, and a friend hat. And, you know, their theory is he slaughters Maggie and Paul to buy time from her investigation. That is it. That is their theory; that is their theory. And it's totally fabricated. They've got no evidence of that. There's no evidence that Maggie was on to his financial misdeeds. There's no evidence that she was about to blow the whistle on him.
There's no evidence that she -- that he had a $20 million life insurance policy on her, and that if he murdered her that he could get out of a financial bind. None of that. None of that. And I asked Ms. Seckinger, how long of a delay did that buy Alex? Well, a month maybe. A month? A month? That's their theory. That's what their case is built upon. And then this motions hearing. There's a motions hearing scheduled for Thursday. It had previously been scheduled two other times, and it was continued at the last minute on the other occasions because two of the lawyers had cancer and were receiving treatment, but it wasn't sure it was going to be continued previously. Did he go murder anybody, you know, to get out from under those prior hearings? No. It had nothing to do with it. And, you know, so they brought the plaintiff's lawyer in, and he's an excellent lawyer. He's, you know, like any plaintiff's lawyer: I'm going to clean his clock.
I'm going to take everything he's got. That's what they all say. So, then we had to bring the defense lawyer in to say that was a negligent parenting case and it wasn't worth the paper it was written on. Folks, that's what we are in the murder case, and that's what we're having to deal with because that is their theory of motive. But even if the financial day of reckoning was impending, if it was right there, Alex would not have killed the people he loved the most in the world. There's no evidence that he would do that. We do have evidence of what he would do and did do. And if you will pull up Defendant's Exhibit 125, which is in evidence? On September 2nd, 3rd, 4th, I forget the day, this is the Labor Day weekend, he gets his drug dealer, Curtis Eddie Smith, to shoot him in the head so he couldn't go on because it was all going to come crashing down and he had a big life insurance policy.
So when Alex is at financial collapse, he doesn't go kill somebody else, he tries to end it himself. This is a natural response. You don't want anybody to do it, but this -- people kill themselves from being exposed. They don't kill their wife they adore, his son, the apple of his eye as some people have said. That's not -- that's not -- that's -- I don't have the adjective for that, that is so outlandish. I don't have a word for it. Totally illogical, irrational, and insane, those are the words I wrote down, for someone to kill their loved ones when their criminal conduct has been exposed. You can take that down -- yeah, thank you, Doug. So, yesterday we heard a lot from Mr. Waters, and I've been in Mr. Waters's position. As I explained, I was a federal prosecutor for a number of years. I've been a state prosecutor, part-time mostly, and I have done the job. It's a very rewarding job, and I hold him and I hold his office in very high esteem.
But there's just some times folks just get caught up in a case that, you know, they desire to win. They get so intoxicated by the attention that's brought on by the case that they start sort of a win at all cost approach. And I'm going to go through some things that Mr. Waters stated to you that just aren't facts, and aren't supported by the facts and the evidence that you've heard. And before I do that I want to give you a cautionary statement. We lawyers aren't witnesses. I didn't take an oath to stand up here and talk to you. I have ethical obligations about what I can say, and limitations under the rules, but I'm not a witness. I'm here to talk to you about the evidence, and the same applies to Mr. Waters. You decide what the evidence is. You decide. And --
JUDGE NEWMAN: Mr. Griffin, before you go farther -- further, we're going to take a short break.
MR. GRIFFIN: All right. Thank you, Your Honor.
JUDGE NEWMAN: For about 10 minutes. Please do not discuss the case.
(The jury left the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: We'll take a 10 minute recess.
(A break was taken.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Bring them in.
(The jury returned to the courtroom.)
COURT BAILIFF: The jury is present, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Thank you. You may continue.
MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you, Your Honor. Yesterday in Mr. Waters's closing argument, he said that the evidence established that Paul and Maggie were murdered with family guns, and that perhaps is his view of the evidence, but that's not a fact. In fact, the State's ballistic expert testified that the 12 gauge shotshells that were found in the feed room were fired by the same shotgun, that the shotshells, the things that rolled under the door, were fired by the same gun. That's all he testified to as to shotgun. Now, they have put a lot of guns in evidence here that have nothing to do with the crime. So, we don't know what shotgun was used. It could have been a shotgun bought at Wal-Mart that afternoon. It could have been a twenty year-old shotgun, but all the evidence, ballistic evidence is the shotshells were fired with the same gun, and that's -- don't know that you really need am expert for that. But that's what the testimony was on the shotgun.
With regard to the 300 Blackout, you'll recall that the -- that this guy, Paul Greer, testified that the cartridges found that the -- at the crime scene, and Maggie was shot with a 300 Blackout. That the tool marks -- it's called tool marks -- that the extractor and ejector marks from the cartridges found at the crime scene matched extractor and ejector tool marks on some cartridges found at the house and some found at the driving range -- excuse me, shooting range. And -- but what he didn't say, that where the firing pin breaches that cartridge, which is one of the most reliable indications, it did not match. No match. And he also did not, did not compare projectiles. There was a projectile found -- when I say projectile, that's the bullet, that's the bullet thing, that goes -- that went into Maggie's body and broke up. But one went into the dog house and was found in the dog bed.
So they have that, and what they did not do is take that projectile and dig projectiles out of the berm where the shooting range was and compare it to see if they matched, and that's the most reliable way. Now, you know, in David Owen's notes he said that the ballistic expert can't be 100 percent sure until you have the gun. And you heard, you know, my cross-examination of Agent Greer, and this tool mark ballistic examination is somewhat soft science. It has come under criticism. It's what, what, what they rely upon. Not every investigative lab relies upon it. That's what they did here, but it's not gospel. It's not gospel. Another thing about the -- about the 300 Blackout, he -- in his closing, Mr. Waters repeatedly said Alex bought it. Alex bought it. And I assume we're talking about the replacement. I don't know, Alex bought it. Well, Alex didn't buy it. The evidence in the record is Maggie bought it, and he kept saying it's the defendant's and it's not the defendant's.
The replacement 300 Blackout, which, frankly, no one had seen Paul with it in quite some time except Will Loving on one occasion -- in fact, some time in March -- it was Paul's gun. It wasn't Alex's gun. It was Paul's gun. At one point in time during his closing argument yesterday, Mr. Waters reenacted a shooting scenario, if you'll recall. And I'll do my best, but he stands up here and he says that Alex shoots Paul in the chest one time, and 999,999 times out of a million that person is dead. He puts his shotgun down, and he has a 300 Blackout right here because he is so smart and so diabolical that he's going to stage it so it will look like two shooters. So he's got a 300 Blackout here, a shotgun that he just took his son out, but his son was one in a million, he says, one in a million, comes this way. So, Alex has to put the 300 Blackout back down, pick up the shotgun, and shoot Paul. Where in the world does that scenario reside other than in Mr. Waters's mind? It doesn't.
It doesn't. There's no evidence to support anything like that. None. None. And the fact that he has to go to such gymnastics to come up with Alex staging a two shooter theory ought to tell you there's two shooters out there. It ought to tell you for someone to do that. Another curious point in Mr. Waters's closing argument yesterday involves Paul's intuitive talent. You will recall that Alex informed agents that Paul was an intuitive little dude, referred to him as a detective. That -- Marian Proctor, Maggie's sister, said that Maggie referred to Paul as Little Detective, her Little Detective, and particularly when it came to trying to root out whether Alex was still doing drugs, and then he sort of left it there. Sort of left it there for you to then take it and run with it, as if, oh, Paul must have found Alex using drugs. There must have been a confrontation down there at the kennels, and that must have been what happened.
Now, he didn't go that far in his argument, but he laid it out there for you to run with, but that was clearly the implication. And I want to tell you. First, there are no facts to support that, none whatsoever. Let me add another scenario that's equally as plausible. What if Paul, the detective, learned the source of drugs that were being sold to his dad? What if Paul, the detective, goes to that drug source and says cut it out. That's my dad, you're hurting my family, and if you don't, I'm going to tell on you, turn you in. And what if the source is a member of a dangerous drug gang.
MR. MEADORS: Your Honor, I would object.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Objection is sustained.
MR. GRIFFIN: Well, the point is there's no more evidence to support -- and there was no evidence what I -- those were just plausible scenarios that they were throwing out to you, and that you could think up many equally plausible scenarios, but you have to decide the evidence based on the facts that the State puts before you. Not theories, not inferences, not speculation, but cold, hard facts. Mr. Waters also said that Alex, the master liar, accused Shelley Smith, Blanca, and perhaps another witness of lying. He never did such a thing. He never accused anybody of lying from this witness stand. Now, I've been around long enough to know, long enough to know that the witnesses can misremember things and believe them to be true, and frankly I'm the biggest offender of that trait in my household. I have convinced myself that I remembered something accurately, and I will have an argument with my wife until she shows me photographic evidence that I was wrong, and that's what it takes.
I mean, that happens. People misremember things. But because we point out that there was an inconsistent fact, that doesn't mean we're saying someone lied, and we never did that. We never did that. The -- one example is sister Marian, one example of misremembering. Sister Marian said that she spoke with Maggie about 7:00 p.m. while she was at Edisto, and that Alex wanted her to come to Moselle so visit her father. Well, we know that her recollection is mistaken because we have cell phone records, we've got FBI records, we've got a phone bill, we've got -- that shows she was in Mount Pleasant and that she was traveling to Moselle around the period of time where sister Marian thought she was at Edisto. Did not happen. That doesn't mean that she was lying about that, absolutely not. That's just how she remembered it. And she also said that when she talked to Maggie, that Maggie was going to go over and visit Mr. Randolph at Almeda. But we know from the records Mr.
Randolph had already been readmitted to the hospital, and that's in the records. We've got -- and that Maggie knew it. We've got Maggie's text to Blanca, I think, in the day saying they're putting Mr. Randolph back in the hospital, and, you know, we're scared for everybody, and hope Alex doesn't go down to the hospital. Well, none of that got pointed out. This is how Marian remembered it, but she remembered it incorrectly, and that happens. Because we point stuff out like that, we're not saying they're lying. Now -- and the same with the Shelley and the blue tarp. She remembers something, we're not sure what, but the evidence clearly is she says it was on Wednesday, June 16th. And we've got the FBI cell phone forensics, we've got records, and we've got testimony that Alex is in Summerville. He spent the night with his in-laws, the Proctors -- excuse me, the Branstetters on Tuesday, and he stayed there toward the end of the week, and then they went to the mountains at Keowee.
So, Alex could not have been knocking on the door of the Almeda house on the morning of June 16th. And Barbara Mixon came in and told you that she relieves Shelley. Shelley works all night, leaves, and goes to work in the school district. Barbara Ann comes in at 8:00 and relieves Shelley. And Shelley recalled it was -- the tarp was laid out when she left for work. Barbara Ann came in and said I didn't see it. No time during that week when I worked was there a blue tarp. I mean, you know, Shelley remembers something, but it's not a blue raincoat, and it's certainly -- certainly Alex could not have come over there Wednesday. Now, Shelley also says that he spoke to me about times, and I am -- and that bothered me, and I called my brother. We're not disputing that. But what she didn't say is Alex told me say I was here 45 minutes, or things like that, and frankly it doesn't make a lot of sense because Alex kept saying you get my phone records.
You can get my phone records, and you'll know exactly what time I was -- when I was there. And I'll get to this a little bit more in a moment, but Mr. Waters keeps talking about, oh, he's hurrying to get over there. He's hurrying to get over there to compress the time, to compress the time so that it looks like he's been gone from Moselle longer than he was. Fair enough argument, and I understand his point, but the point is -- evaporates when you're talking about how long you are at Almeda. It doesn't matter if he's there 45 minutes or 20 minutes. Does it really matter why -- how long he was there? Now, I guess before you had the OnStar data they could be saying, oh, he said he was there 45 minutes but he was only there 22 minutes, and he spent the other 10 or 15 minutes traipsing through the woods burying bloody clothes and getting rid of murder weapons.
Well, we may have heard that in this trial had we not gotten the OnStar data from General Motors in the middle of the trial, which shows conclusively he drove over there and he drove straight back. Another small point, he said there's biological material on the Polaris. I don't think that was ever tested. It certainly looks like it, but what we've learned in this case is things aren't always as they seem. They thought they had blood on the shirt. It turns out there's no blood on the shirt. And that this biological material showed that Maggie was running toward her baby. Now, I don't know that there's any evidence which way Maggie was running or what she was running to, there's not. I mean, it's a fair inference, and everyone who knows Maggie would know that's what she would do, and we're not disputing that that would be her mother instinct. And did that probably happen? It probably did. But to state it a fact, there's no evidence of that.
Now, one thing he also said was the cell phone backlight turning on. And I don't have an Apple phone, but -- so here is the issue, and mine won't do it because I don't have an Apple phone, I don't think, but if you take a phone flat and pick it up, the light comes on. And why is that important? Why is that important? Like I say, I -- and I probably turned this phone off. And if I'm making a point that you all know the answer to, I apologize, but it's important that you do know the answer why this is important. It's important because now that we have the OnStar data, we know that Alex drove his Suburban by the spot where Maggie's phone was found at 9:08. Now, there's probably some seconds in there, but 9:08. And we know that her phone is in the woods at that point. So, the question is did Alex throw it out the window at 9:08?
And the answer is no, he didn't, because if you throw it out the window, at a minimum the display light is going to come on, at a minimum, and when that display right comes on, it registers. These phones say a lot. I mean, I was -- lesson learned in this case. Wow. It registers in this KnowledgeC database, and it says display light on, and it has a time that the display light came on. Well, there's no -- on Maggie's phone the display light does not come on at 9:08. Okay? So, it means Alex didn't throw the phone out. And, and, and, and yesterday Mr. Waters says every single expert testified that the backlight comes on, and sometimes it doesn't when the phone is raised aggressively. That's not true. Only one person testified to that, and Mr. Manigault (sic), who, over the weekend, he works for the Charleston County Sheriff's Department. I don't know why they didn't get a SLED agent to do it, but he says, apparently he says -- he got a phone similar to one that Maggie had.
Not Maggie's phone, had software but not the same version as Maggie, and he spent all weekend throwing the phone on the ground to see what would happen, or many hours of the day throwing the phone on the ground. And he comes in here and says, hey, folks, sometimes the light comes on, sometimes it doesn't. Well, we -- we -- our expert, Micah Sturgis, says it comes on. It comes on. That's what we're talking about. That's what we're talking about. But, folks, we wouldn't be having this discussion if they had secured Maggie's phone and not allowed -- and not -- put it in a Faraday bag so that -- so that the GPS coordinates on the 7th would not have been written -- overwritten, and they were. So, now we've got a guy down in Charleston throwing a phone around all weekend because they're desperate to prove that Alex threw the phone out when he went by there, and they have got no evidence to that. In fact, the evidence to the contrary, he did not.
And the evidence supports everything that he had said from the day he had that interview, or a couple of days: you get the OnStar data, you get GPS data, you get my GPS data, and you'll know I'm not traveling with her phone. Never got it, wrote over it, and now we've got a guy tossing a phone in an office, doesn't even work for SLED. Not every expert said that. The guy even said that's not his area of expertise. So -- oh, yeah, the last one is about me. Mr. Waters says that I did a HBO interview in November of '22, and he references some things I said in the HBO interview. Well, I didn't, and he knows I didn't. It was testified about. There is a HBO special. I am on it. I'm not telling anybody to watch it, but that was filmed back in, I don't know, spring/summer of 20 -- 20 -- 2022. I'm -- well before he was charged with murder. And I'm not on TV talking about his murder charges, but he wants you to think that and I don't why, and I took a little bit offense to that, I really did.
MR. MEADORS: And we object because he was.
MR. GRIFFIN: I was not being interviewed --
JUDGE NEWMAN: The objection is overruled.
MR. GRIFFIN: Not being interviewed in November of 2022. Not. So, I have asked why? Why, why, why, and they can't answer that. They don't have an answer as to why. Now, how, how, how can Alex in the time period we know -- we're going to -- we're going to get to it, but how could he have butchered Maggie and Paul without leaving a trace of evidence within a matter of minutes? How? How? We went from why and now how, and the answer to the how is he couldn't. But this is the wrong question to be asking yourself because the question that you are tasked with answering is has the State presented evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that shows Alex butchered Maggie and Paul without leaving a trace of evidence within a matter of minutes, within a matters of minutes.
Have they proven evidence -- do they present evidence of that, proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he was able to make bloody clothes, bloody guns, who knows what, how much, disappear in a matter of minutes without leaving a trace? Without leaving a trace. Of course they haven't. A reasonable doubt is a doubt that causes a reasonable person to hesitate, one of the most important decisions of your life. And then here the -- there's no direct evidence of Alex doing anything other than he's at the kennel, 8:44, and it's just pleasant family talking about Bubba the dog getting a chicken. So, the State is trying to weave this story of his guilt based upon circumstantial evidence, and the judge will charge you on circumstantial evidence, and I have no dispute with what the State put up here yesterday because that's the law. And you're going to get it.
He's going to give you the written document with the charge, and you will see in there that when they rely upon circumstantial evidence, it's as good as direct evidence, but there's some things that it has to do to be as good as direct evidence. And what it has to do, the circumstantial evidence, is that the circumstances must be consistent with each other, and when taken together point conclusively, conclusively to the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt, and if these circumstances portray the behavior of a defendant as suspicious, the proof has failed as circumstantial evidence. So, what are the circumstances that the State relies upon? Well, he was at the kennel at 8:44. Paul last used his phone at 8:48; he replied to a text with a friend about a movie recommendation. Maggie's phone locked for the last time at 8:50. Actually, it was 8:49 and 50 some odd seconds, but 8:50.
But, however, her phone recorded significant steps around 8:55, and we're going to see that, and her phone tried to activate the camera at 8:55, and it registered an orientation change at 9:06. And I think we pretty much understand orientation change, but when the phone goes from landscape to portrait or -- well, beats me, but it goes from that to that, that is an orientation change, and the phone will tell you. So, it did that at 9:06. And they've got 300 shell casings with extractor and ejector markings matched with casings found around the house at shooting range. So, that's the pretty much it. And then the circumstantial evidence of his guilt. Now, they want to say, well, he lied about it so it's consciousness of guilt, but I'm talking about what evidence they have that put all of the circumstances together to prove he shot and killed Maggie and Paul, and that's pretty much it. And how have they established the time of death here? Solely on cell phone use.
Solely on cell phone use. And using the phone or not using the phone doesn't dictate or define whether you're dead or alive. I mean, I'd say most everybody in this courtroom does not have their phone with them right now. Under the State's theory, as I mentioned before, you know, if they die while they're not using their phone, then they're dead the moment they stop using their phone. That's what we have here; that is their case. There are a number of reasons that Paul would stop using his phone. First -- well, first, I've got two testimonial clips, one from Rogan. You remember Rogan Gibson. If you'll play that quickly, Doug. This is Rogan testifying about Paul's phone.
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MR. MEADORS: Your Honor, I'm going to object. They're not showing the witness who is testifying.
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JUDGE NEWMAN: Just a moment. All right. What is the objection?
MR. MEADORS: They're not showing the witness. They're showing the defendant while the witness is testifying. I think the --
JUDGE NEWMAN: What's the legal basis for the objection?
MR. MEADORS: That it's irrelevant.
JUDGE NEWMAN: All right. Mr. Griffin?
MR. GRIFFIN: It's a clip from the live feed of this trial, Your Honor. I can't control who was being depicted, but it's the voice -- my voice asking --
JUDGE NEWMAN: Well, we've been in trial how many weeks?
MR. GRIFFIN: Six weeks.
JUDGE NEWMAN: All right. So, we're not going to replay the trial.
MR. GRIFFIN: No, sir, it's a clip of a few seconds.
JUDGE NEWMAN: I sustain the objection.
MR. GRIFFIN: All right. Take it down, Doug. So, you will remember that Rogan said Paul's phone -- and, by the way, if you don't remember and you have questions about it when you're in your deliberations, you can always ask to have testimony replayed for you to --
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MR. GRIFFIN: Your Honor, can we play the audio without the video?
JUDGE NEWMAN: You're asking me what can you do? I rule on objections.
MR. GRIFFIN: Can you play the audio then, please?
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MR. GRIFFIN: All right, and so you'll note from the photographs and the evidence in the case that Paul's phone is at 2 percent, at 2 percent, and it was on low power mode at the time he was texting this friend of his about a movie recommendation. And then -- can you play the audio only of -- Do you remember Nathan Tuten, and he testified about Paul putting the phone down when he was working around the kennels.
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MR. GRIFFIN: Hey, Doug, take that -- I don't think that's the right clip. The -- so, there -- Mr. Tuten testified that when Paul would work, he would put the phone down, forget where it was at times, and then it was pretty common for him to put the phone down at the kennel so he wouldn't get it wet. And you'll recall that Dale Davis -- they brought him to the stand. I think they brought him to the stand to make it seem like the hose was unraveled, and then it was used and put back. And we know from the video, and you can see it again, the dog kennel video, we pointed it out the hose is on the ground outside Cash's kennels. And Mr. Davis says yeah, that was not how I left it. Someone had put it down. And then I'm going to show you State's Exhibit --
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MR. GRIFFIN: Doug, can I have the ELMO, please?
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MR. GRIFFIN: Just give it to me, please. So, ladies and gentlemen, you'll have back in the jury room State's Exhibit 503, which is a picture of the dog kennels from the murder scene, and what I'm pointing out on top of these two kennels are the dog beds. You'll see Exhibit 503, the dog beds are up here on top. And you'll recall Dale Davis said that when you clean out the kennels and hose it down, you put the dog beds on top. On top. So, it's pretty clear from these photos, this photo that Paul and/or Maggie had sprayed out the dog runs and put the dog beds on top and that -- and put the hose away. And put the hose away. Alex testified that the -- Bubba and Grady had on collars, and we see the collars in State's 45. And so there are collars hanging here, but -- there are collars hanging here, here, and then there's collars here, and the dogs don't have collars on them in the dog picture. So, it's a fair, fair, fair, conclusion that after Alex left when he said he left that Paul puts Bubba up, Paul puts Brady up -- Grady up, after cleaning out the kennels, and then he goes back into the feed room to get his phone where he was confronted, where he was confronted. Or some time later it happened. I don't know. But they're relying on cell phone usage for time of death. The coroner said he did the armpit test, which is no test at all. It's just a guestimate. The -- can you pull up in evidence -- Now I want to talk to you about Maggie's phone. And Defendant's Exhibit 158, please.
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MR. GRIFFIN: So this is Maggie's phone, timeline that we put in evidence, and this is going from 8:49 to 9:07. And if you'll just walk through it, you'll see 8:49:26, last text message read by Maggie. Okay, go to the next one. 8:49:28, backlight off. Go to the next one. 8:49:31, phone locks and remains locked until recovery by law enforcement. It was locked for the last time and never unlocked. 8:53. And on 8:53 the backlight comes on. The backlight comes on. It's being manipulated. 8:53:12, orientation to portrait starts. 8:53:15, phone begins logging 59 steps. 8:53:20, there's a Siri usage, and the testimony is you can get that by squeezing the button. 8:53:24, an orientation portrait completes, so it switches. And then 8:53:28, backlight is off. Next, backlight is on, backlight is off again, and it's on again. Keep going. Then 8:54:34, camera use starts. It's activated by touching the camera icon or by swiping left from the locked screen.
The -- there was a question as to whether that could be from facial recognition, and Lieutenant Dove said that that information resides in the KnowledgeC database, but he did not look for it. Micah Sturgis, our expert, looked for it, found it, and came and told you that was not a facial recognition miss. It was from intentionally activating the phone only for 1 second. Go to the next slide. Camera usage ends. Go to the next slide. Orientation landscape starts, 8:54:44. It ends and then 8:55 -- so, the point is there's a lot going on with Maggie's phone at -- around 8:55. Keep going. Keep going. And then at 9:03 the backlight goes off. And at 9:04 there's a missed call from Alex, and at 9:04:23, backlight is off. At 9:04:41, the missed call from Alex ends. So, let's back up to -- let's go to 9:04:23, a missed call from Alex. And this was the testimony on 9:04:23, and it's important. Alex calls Maggie, and when that happens, you would -- her backlight was on. Go back one more.
Her backlight is on at 9:03:52. At 9:04, missed call from Alex starts at 9:04:23 and instantaneously the backlight goes off. Now, you heard the testimony of that, it means when that call came in, someone pushed on the side to stop the call. Now, was that done by Maggie because she was over on the other side of the workshop where we see those footprints that we heard about that were never really analyzed and that she didn't want any noise coming through? Or was that some bad guy, or bad person, has Maggie's phone and stops the call? But something is going on with her phone at 9:04, I'll tell you that. And then at 9:04 the next one is missed call from Alex ends. 9:05, backlight on. 9:06 orientation changes to portrait. 9:07, incoming call from Alex -- excuse me, 9:06:14. Keep going, Doug. And 9:06:52. Keep going. And then at 9:07 her phone stops for good. Now, one of the things that you heard in this case is that orientation change was at 9:06 that we just talked about.
And, Doug, if you'll go to the -- if you'll go to Defendant's 156, please? And so these are Alex's steps on his phone that registered during this time period, and if you'll go to entry -- if you'll look at entry 28 -- If you'll pull that out, Doug. All right. So, 28, this is between 9:02:18 and 9:06:47, and this is the time period that Mr. Waters in his argument said was scurrying around because he took -- Can -- yeah, just bring it back a little bit more, please. Can we do it so we can see the whole line? That's fine. So, that -- so, here we see line 28, between 9:02 and 9:06 there's 283 steps, and he went 208 meters. So, I want you to first -- and so they take the position that this is him scurrying around, but if you do the math, which we haven't done here on this document, but 283 steps in 269 minutes -- excuse me, 269 steps turns out to be 1.05 steps per second -- .05 -- 1.05 steps per second. Multiply that by 60, you get 63 steps per second.
And, ladies and gentlemen, this is a slow walk, one step per second. One thousand-one, one thousand-two, one thousand-three, one thousand-four, one thousand-five. This is Alex scurrying around, according to the State's case. And if you'll look at the distance in meters of the last -- when he gets, I guess, to the house at 7:55 to 8:55, he goes 203 meters before it stops registering. And then one thing you'll remember during this time period between 9:02 and 9:06, at 9:06 Maggie's phone has an orientation change. Her phone has moved from here to here, but what her phone doesn't have -- If you'd go to the second page? What her phone doesn't have are steps, are steps. And Lieutenant Dove testified that, yeah, it doesn't look like anyone but -- I mean, that her phone is moving at 9:06, but there are no steps being registered. Alex is walking from 9:02 to 9:06, so it would bear to reason that Maggie is not -- excuse me, Alex is not walking with Maggie's phone. That's the timeline data that I wanted to review with you. The -- if you'll go to Exhibit 524, Defendant's Exhibit 524, please.
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: State's 524, Counsel?
MR. GRIFFIN: I think it's -- yeah, State's 524, I'm sorry. Do you have that?
UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes, sir.
MR. GRIFFIN: If you'll go to the slide where -- no, sir, not 38 -- do you have the whole document or you don't? Well, drop that. Okay. Well, the -- I mentioned earlier -- and so State's Exhibit 524 is all of the OnStar data you will see there, that he goes by this spot at 9:08 where Maggie's phone was found, and there was testimony that he sped up after he went by there. He sped up to, like, from 42 to 45, and went back down to 44 miles an hour when he went by there. He's not speeding up when he goes by the area where Maggie's phone was found whenever it was tossed. And then they have, you know, a chart or a slide that talks about how long it took him to get over there and the speeds that it took, and Mr. Waters was arguing to you that that compressed the timeline. The faster he gets over to Almeda, the -- it means that he's gone longer from Moselle and it gives him a better alibi because, as you know, he's orchestrating this alibi.
And so he's driving fast over to Almeda, according to their theory. And we graphed it out, and he's driving. He's passing some cars, and he is -- you know, he's a fast driver. Okay. So they say, oh, he's compressing the timeline. Compressing the timeline is that they say, compressing the timeline. But then they say he drives fast on the way back. Why? He's driving the same speed over there, same speed back. There's no reason to compress the timeline coming back. I mean, you would want to be driving as slow as you can to make it appear you'd been gone a lot longer. I mean, he drives the same speed from Moselle to Almeda, as from Almeda back to Moselle. It takes him the same amount of time. He's not compressing any timeline at all. And what's the most curious part about Maggie's phone -- about Maggie's phone, what's most curious about it is Alex has per password. Alex -- if he is wanting to change the timeline, when he calls her phone, he should answer her phone.
When he texts her, he should reply to that text to show activity on her phone that she's still alive. If he wants -- if he's manufacturing a timeline by speeding, the easiest way to do it is use both phones, talk on both phones, and he didn't. This whole thing about using Maggie's phone, driving Maggie's phone, throwing Maggie's phone out is -- it's such a stretch for them to come in and try to put her phone in his hand. And then you start thinking through. Why would Alex take her phone and not Paul's phone? Let's start there. Why would Alex take her phone and not Paul's phone? That's a question I don't have an answer to. It makes no sense. It just makes no sense why he would take Maggie's phone. If there's something on there, he knows her password. Put it in. See what it is. We know from all of this phone data her phone was never unlocked, and he had the keys. So, if he's taking her phone to unlock or to do something with it, he did it. And so why? Why, why, why?
And these are circumstances that have to be consistent with each other, and have to point conclusively to the guilt of Alex Murdaugh beyond a reasonable doubt. And these circumstances just raise more questions, ladies and gentlemen, raise more questions that we wouldn't have to be dealing with if they had just simply secured Maggie's phone in a Faraday bag on June the 8th when they got it. We wouldn't be here. So, we do know from the timeline that Alex left the property at 9:07. Were they killed before he left? I don't know the answer to that. I don't know the answer to that. But we do know that if he was in the house when the shots were made down at the kennel that he would not have heard them. We had decibel testing from Mr. Sutton. Now, they were angry with Mr. Sutton's angle test. They were angry -- not angry, but they challenged his conclusions on a lot of things, but they didn't touch his acoustics testing, didn't doubt that, haven't challenged that.
And so if he's in the house and shots are going down -- ringing down at the kennel, he doesn't hear them. He doesn't hear them. Now, they say that some time after 8:44, and they peg it at 8:48/8:50 because that's when Paul last responded to a text from this, you know, friend of his, but they ignore the fact there had to be clean up, and I think Buster testified that takes 10 minutes at least to get the dogs in, clean up, and et cetera. But -- and then there's all of this 8:55 stuff going on on Maggie's phone. But let's take them at their theory. At 8:50, after having a pleasant conversation, talking about is it a guinea or is it a chicken, and Bubba, you know, and getting -- I mean. All right. So, 4 minutes later, let's go ahead and kill my wife and my son because I got questioned at the office today by Jeannie Seckinger. Okay. That's their case. Well, let's run with it and see where it takes us. Well, it takes us that he leaves the property at 9:07.
So from the moment -- so if he's got, you know -- well, if it happens at 8:50, he's got 10 -- he's got 17 minutes. 17 minutes. He would have to be a magician to make all of that evidence disappear. As you heard under either Dr. Kinsey or Mr. Palmbach, Dr. Riemer, Dr. Kinsey, Mr. Palmbach, and Dr. Eisenstat, either way, the shooter is covered with blood on Paul's shooter, and that's what all that testimony was about. It wasn't about trying to figure out who's, who's got the right angles. The whole point of that is while -- we ended up having to get our own experts to, to prove the shooter is covered in biological material, covered in blood, covered in everything because of the blowback. And it wasn't until on reply that Dr. Kinsey said, oh, well there would be blowback under my version, too, blowback meaning blood, biological material from killing Paul. So, the shooter is covered in blood. The shooter's gun is covered in blood.
And that -- there's not a sufficient amount of time to clean all of that up, and make all of that disappear, and then call your son, Buster, driving to visit your mother, who he had gotten a call from Barbara Mixon earlier today and said your mother is agitated because your dad went back in the hospital. You might want to check on her. He goes to check on her. He calls Buster. And does he say, hey, Bus, I just blew your mom and brother up? You should see the damn mess. Are you kidding me? He calls Chris Wilson, normal conversation. He calls his brother John Marvin, talking about his dad. And then he goes over there and he sits there with Shelley and sits on his mom's bed, and he stays there 20 minutes, not 40 minutes or 22 minutes, I don't know. The records show what time. But the fact of the matter is he's got no blood on him. He's acting normal as every day. He is the same old Alex.
Yet their theory is he just blew the person he -- the people he loved the most in this world, he blew them away. Now, I talked a little bit about the angles that Mr. Sutton did his reverse trajectories on the shots, and they're having a good time joking about the size of the figure in the FARO, saying, oh, it must have been a twelve year old kid, 5-2, 5-4. And, I don't know, let them have their fun, but that's not what the testimony was. The testimony was that the barrel of the gun has to be at that level to make the shot into the quail pen. We didn't take the measurements. SLED took the measurements. And so, yeah, could a 6-4 person get down to that level? Sure. Mr. Sutton says that's not a natural shooting angle. Could a 6-4 four person get on their knees? Sure. Shooters are in movement, and a 6-4 person is going to be moving around on their knees? I don't think so. But, you know, the most common sense thing here is there were two shooters because there were two guns.
And as Mr. Palmbach said, one gun is high capacity. It holds ten, twenty, thirty rounds, and if you're going down to execute somebody, one gun is enough. Why take another gun that only has three shots? It's -- and Dr. Kinsey agreed with the angle coming out of the bird -- the quail pen so that the angle puts it pretty far away from the door of the feed room where Paul was killed. But it's not our burden. It's not our burden. It's their burden to prove to you, based on circumstantial evidence, that all of the circumstances are consistent with each other and point conclusively to the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and those facts are just not consistent. Those facts are just not consistent. I want to say a word about the condition of Paul and Maggie, particularly Paul, and I'm not going to show you any photos, but I think you would agree that it was so bad. It was so bad.
And Alex, in the back of the car with me in the back of that -- you could see me on the camera sitting there talking to Agent Owen and Agent Croft, and he says: It was so bad, they did him so bad. Agent Croft misheard that and said he said I did him so bad. I think the evidence is to -- everyone who has listened to it and everyone who knows what Alex was talking about around that time was they did him so bad. And Agent Owen was in the car and he doesn't say to you, oh, he actually said I did him so bad. I think we can put that issue to rest, but that issue points to a bigger question. What would they be saying in this trial if that conversation wasn't videotaped? What would they be saying? We know Agent Croft would be saying he said I did him so bad, and then where would we be then? I'm grateful to SLED that they videotaped that so that you'll hear it if you have any questions. I don't think you should, but they did him so bad, that is for sure.
Another thing that we're going to clear up right now is Alex's concern for Buster. You heard that, and you heard that in Mr. Waters's closing, that on the -- that in the statements that Alex made on the roadside shooting in Labor Day weekend where he tried to arrange an assisted suicide, that he told officers that there's no danger to Buster. Of course there was no danger to Buster because of that roadside shooting because he knew who shot him: Curtis Eddie Smith. He knew he was trying get himself killed. But from that he was going -- the reason he knows there was nothing to worry about Buster is because he knows he did it. That's what was just argued yesterday. Well, Deputy McDowell in a body cam video that's in evidence captured Alex speaking to Buddy Hill about his concern about Buster's safety. And will you play that now, Doug? It's in evidence.
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MR. GRIFFIN: Will you replay that again because I think the --
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MR. GRIFFIN: Did you hear that? Can y'all get a police officer for my oldest son in Columbia? What about Buster? What about Buster? Can y'all get a police officer for my oldest son? Buddy, can y'all get a police officer for my oldest son in Columbia? That's Buddy Hill, the sheriff. They want to come in here and tell you he wasn't concerned for Buster's safety. Once again, I'm grateful the Colleton County Sheriff's Department had body cams because now you know. You know Alex was concerned; you know Alex asked for a police officer for his son in Columbia, Buster. Now, I'm almost done, I promise, but I do want to talk about Alex's misstatements about time. Alex told Deputy Owen during interviews that -- well, first, Alex's statements about time are not lies. They were just misstatements. And like I said, Deputy Owen said people make mistakes about -- all of the -- Agent Owen, I'm sorry, Agent Owen, they make mistakes about time all the time, and they do. Now, Mr.
Waters is critical because Alex was wrong every time he gave a time estimate. It turns out I think Mr. Waters is probably right about that. Whether the time period is inconsequential or consequential, he's wrong about it. And the -- and we have brought in -- you know, Alex had told deputies in an interview that he got home at 5:00, and that's not true. That he went to work that day at 8:30. That's not true, and that -- and so he is just wrong on times. But what was consistent whenever he had a interview, he said you get the records. You get the records and it will show what time I was -- did this, what time I did that. It will all be in the records. And guess what? They're in the records. And when the records show that his time estimate was wrong, you know, they jump up and down. Jump up and down. The statement to Deputy Greene, he says I'd gone to my -- I'd gone to my mom's for about a hour and a half and I last saw them 45 minutes. Now, that -- I don't know.
Frankly, I don't know if that's wrong or not. I mean, he's talking to Deputy Greene by 10:30. A hour and a half from 10:30 is 9:00, and he left at -- he left at -- you know, he left at 9:07. But that's at -- the question about what he did when he got down to the scene, and he said he ran up to Paul and Maggie, and he left his phone, and then he went back to get his phone, and, and that -- then he's talking to the 911 operator, and you can hear it, and he says I've been up to them now and it's bad. He doesn't remember the sequencing, and I don't think anyone should hold that against him. You know, Mr. Waters gets up here and says Maggie was running to her baby. Alex was running to his baby. And can you imagine what he saw? And is it evidence of guilt that he doesn't remember what the sequencing was in that moment? Is that evidence? Is that evidence of guilt, or is that evidence of trauma? This is a guy that then went to get a 12 gauge shotgun and he put 16 gauge shells in it.
He knows the difference, but he didn't know that night. And I'm not quite understanding what the State makes of this. Did he not go up to the bodies? Because the forensic evidence sure speaks to the contrary. What we have is Maggie's DNA all over his t-shirt, and you heard that from Agent Zapata. We have Paul's DNA on his t-shirt. How did he get Paul and Maggie's DNA on his t-shirt if he didn't touch them? If he brutally murdered them, hosed off down there next to their dead bodies, got in the golf cart butt naked, drove to the house, changed clothes, went over to his mom's, goes down, calls 911, and then searches for Whaley's Restaurant menu, and checking emails waiting for the police to show up, how does he get their DNA on his body? Because it's on there. Their forensic lab tells you that because he went up to them and touched them. And then there's a spot of blood on the Suburban steering wheel that was Maggie's.
And we know that the Suburban was never down at the kennel thanks to the OnStar information, thanks to -- I'm not sure that was an accepted fact until OnStar sent their stuff in, but the Suburban never went down to the kennel until after he returned back to Moselle. So, we know the blood got on the steering wheel after he checked Maggie like he did on the 911 call. And then there's a spot of blood on the gun that he went to get. And then there's GSR, there's GSR. There's three particles of GSR on the shirt, three particles of GSR on his shorts, and one on his finger. And the SLED agent testified that's consistent with transferred GSR when you pick up a gun. So, really we're back to the lie. We're back to the lie because that's all they have in this case is that Alex lied to them when he was -- when he last saw them, and he shouldn't have, and he shouldn't have.
And he said what a tangled web weave when once we start to deceive, and once he lied the first time, he had to stick with the lie, and he continued to lie, and he shouldn't have. He shouldn't have. And he told you, you know, what was going through his mind. Probably wasn't rational, but he was in the throws of an addiction, and he just found his wife and son murdered. And he's being interviewed, he'd been swiped for GSR, and he does think David Owen is the guy that investigated his friend, but he was wrong, and he told you. It turns out he was wrong, but I thought that's who it was that night. And he was under investigation. He was being accused of obstructing the boating accident investigation, and he was under investigation by SLED for that. And he had all of these skeletons in his closet, and he was wanting to get them away from him and looking for the real killer.
The State in this case has gone to lengths trying to, through a slight of the hand, convince you of this, show you that, and without mentioning guilt and without showing evidence of guilt convince you that he murdered his wife and son because the financial misdeeds are going to come out, which is about the most illogical thing imaginable, and there's no evidence of that. And then the State brings all of these shotguns in here, and I'm not going to pick every one of them up, but the forensic evidence on these shotguns is they have -- or they can't be excluded. Well, okay. They can't be included either, so you know nothing more about these shotguns than you would have the day you showed up for jury selection because there's nothing to know about them.
You can't exclude them, can't include them, according to them, but we do know there's no blood, guts, brains on any of -- on any of the guns that would have been there from the shooting under everybody's interpretation of how Paul was murdered. The -- I mean, they want -- they want -- they want you to think that because you own guns that you should be viewed differently. I don't know what else to make of that. I don't know what else to make of that. When this trial began with opening statements on January 25th, Mr. Harpootlian asked why? Why? Why would Alex execute his wife and son in cold blood? And here we are six weeks later, and you've heard weeks of testimony about Alex's financial crimes, drug addiction, and lies, but after all of that, the State has failed to prove, to provide a satisfactory answer to this question, why. Why? Why? The State cannot provide an answer to this question because the answer is he would not.
He would not under any circumstances murder those that meant the most to him. Your oath requires that you hold the State to the exact standard of proof, that the State must prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and when they rely solely on circumstantial evidence, these circumstances must be consistent with each other, and when taken together point conclusively to the guilt of the accused beyond a reasonable doubt. And if they merely portray the behavior of the defendant as suspicious, you must find him not guilty. The State's evidence fails to meet these requirements. The circumstances don't point conclusively to Alex's guilt, far from it. Mr. Waters wants you to believe that Alex slaughtered Maggie and Paul on June 7th, and repeatedly lied and changed the story to fit the timeline in evidence.
As it turns out, as it turns out, in fact, the State is the one that's been manipulating evidence to fit their theories of guilt, which changed over time from the date of these murders until yesterday. And the absence of forensic science and reliable investigation, the guns, blood spatter, the time and opportunity to have committed these murders, you're instead left to make inferences about all sorts of interactions and behaviors. The prosecution wants you to view the evidence through the diabolical monster lens that they have tried to paint, but the law requires you to view it through the lens of innocence where none of these things, individually or taken together, prove conclusively to Alex's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Up until now you've not been able to say a single word. I can't imagine how frustrating that must be, but soon, soon you will have the most powerful voice in this courtroom.
With your words, you can let everyone know that in a court of law, only evidence and the burden of proof matters, not gossip, innuendo, opinions, and most of all not theories layered on top of speculation. With your words, you can let the State know that they don't get to obtain an indictment by misleading a grand jury and then bring you -- before you a case built on theories and speculation. There are two words that justice demands in this case, and those two words are not guilty. The oath you've taken in this case is to follow the law, and to follow the constitution, and to hold the government to the burden of proof that requires a verdict of not guilty. On behalf of Alex, on behalf of Buster, on behalf of Maggie, and on behalf of my friend, Paul, I respectfully request that you do not compound a family tragedy with another. Thank you.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll send you to the jury room for a break. Please do not discuss the case.
(The jury left the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: If everyone will be seated. Mr. Meadors, are you closing on behalf of the State?
MR. MEADORS: Yes, sir, Your Honor.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Do you have an estimated length of time that you might go?
MR. MEADORS: No more than 40 minutes.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Are you ready to go?
MR. MEADORS: If you can give me -- I just need to go to the bathroom.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Sure. All right. We'll take a 5 minute recess.
(A break was taken.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: Let's bring the jury.
(The jury returned to the courtroom.)
COURT BAILIFF: The jury is present, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the State gets an opportunity to do a rebuttal. Mr. Meadors.
MR. MEADORS: May it please the Court?
JUDGE NEWMAN: Yes, sir.
MR. MEADORS: Good afternoon.
(The jurors responded good afternoon.)
MR. MEADORS: On behalf of the Attorney General, Alan Wilson, Deputy Don Zelenka, and Deputy Attorney General Creighton Waters, and this entire team, and I want to name them all, but thank you for being here. Thank you for the attention you've given this case. Being a juror is not an easy job. I'm not a jury watcher, I don't sit and stare at jurors, but goodness knows we've been here six weeks, I have look over occasionally, not to pry, but I've noticed when I have looked, you've all paying attention, so thank you. Six weeks. Thank you. And I'm not going to be that long. Your Clerk, Ms. Hill, has done an outstanding job bringing the world to Colleton County, bringing the world to right here with her hospitality, her grace, making everything as convenient as she can. But the one thing she didn't do, and couldn't do, is give you a booklet on how to be a juror. Five and a half weeks ago when y'all got here, six weeks ago, she didn't have that packet for you because they don't exist.
There's not a book on how to be a juror. But you have been preparing for this moment in this courtroom to decide this case your entire life, and it's called life. It's called living. It's called experiences. It's called interacting with your spouse, your children, your neighbors, your coworkers, you're good experiences, your bad experiences, evaluating people, and deciding what is credible, what is believable. It's true in every case I've ever tried in my thirty-four years of doing nothing but murder cases. Credibility, believability. And I agree with Mr. Griffin. When I looked at this case the first time I said to myself this is a CSC case. Now, in our world that means criminal sexual conduct. It's not a criminal sexual conduct case. This is a common sense case, and you didn't leave that common sense with you when you came here six weeks ago. It's with you now, it's been with you during the six weeks here, and you're going to take it back into the jury room.
I've been listening yesterday and today -- and y'all have -- about law enforcement didn't do this, law enforcement didn't do that. I think they actually said they fabricated evidence, putting law enforcement on trial. I once called Mr. Harpootlian in a trial the automatic smokescreen machine, and I think what the defense is doing in this case is more like an eclipse. You remember that eclipse on August 17th of 2017 where it kind of got dark for a little bit, and the birds started chirping, and you almost -- you felt like it was dark, and then it cleared. The eclipse went over and the light came back. That's what the defense is doing. Taking away -- taking you away from the facts, from the credibility and saying wait a minute. There's an he eclipse here. There's a smokescreen here. Look at that. And I -- somebody said the word offensive.
I find it offensive that a family with a great-grandfather, a grandfather, a father, Solicitor Randolph Murdaugh, who was good to me when I was a young prosecutor -- he knew I wanted to do this as my job. He knew I cared about this job. This is the best job in the world. I tried to be solicitor three times. It doesn't get any better than this job, and I find it offensive that the defense through the defendant, who was also a part-time solicitor, is claiming that law enforcement didn't do their job -- listen to me, please -- didn't do their job while he is withholding and obstructing justice by not saying I was down at the kennels. I was down at the kennels. I was down at the kennels. And he's going to blame everybody else. Is that offensive? Is that offensive? Mr. Griffin said a minute ago, can you imagine coming up on the scene and seeing? Can you imagine not telling law enforcement, lying that I was down there and I saw them, I was right there.
Why wouldn't you tell them that? Maybe get some more evidence? Did you hear somebody? No, I wasn't even down there. Credibility, believability. That really does sum it up. Do you remember six weeks ago today and Mr. Waters's fantastic opening and he talked about direct evidence? And direct evidence is something you get -- you know it when you see it. It's evidence you gather with one of your senses. You hear it, you feel it, you smell it, you touch it, and you come in here and tell. Witnesses: hey, this is what I heard, what I felt, what I smelled, what I touched. But do you remember when he was describing circumstantial evidence? There was a storm that day coming, part of his theme. The storm just happened to come, and you could hear it coming, and then during the part of his opening do you remember it started raining? You could hear it. You could feel it. It's almost like circumstantial evidence morphed into direct evidence, and that's what happened in this case.
Circumstantial evidence became direct evidence in many instances. This case is about two things: it's about being real, being real, and choices. My mama gave me a book when I was a little boy about The Velveteen Rabbit. I was actually going off to college, being with people, and learning about people, and tough times in life. Go get The Velveteen Rabbit and read it if you haven't heard of it, but she just put in the front of that book -- and I love my mama -- always be real. Always be real. And this case is about that defendant never being real, and choices which I'll get to at length. Ladies and gentlemen, they blamed everybody but Alex, everybody but Alex. Let's go back to the first -- I'm not going to bring it out, but this back here. The press release was sent out. There's no danger. There's no danger. What did Alex not do? They showed a tape there. He's asking the sheriff, I think, call Buster.
The first time he tried to call Buster -- well, that was -- it took the sheriff awhile to get out there. Do you remember the first time he called Buster? It was about 40 minutes. Well, actually he texted him, didn't even call him. It wasn't his first thought. Wasn't the thing after he did 911. It was later, perhaps even when some of his friends had gotten there. Oh, I'd better call. No right off the bat this happened. Call my son. Call him. Buster, stay where you are. You're with your girlfriend up there in North -- in Charlotte, go. We've got some people after us. That's what's real. Do you -- you go to the police station right there. And what else do you do, too? You want to talk about being real? What do you do? Y'all, I left my mama. She's with Shelley. Get somebody over there; get them over there. These people are out here to kill us. Get them over there. Go, please. Get them over there. They're by themselves. I can't do that. That's where I took the guns.
I can't tell them that. That's what's real. And he brings up the boat case right away, right away a year and a half previous. He's coming up for a hearing. Nobody is thinking about that boat case except Alex, and right then he's using it to throw off here is your first suspect. Does that make any sense? They have a hearing coming up. They're going to look into resolving this thing. Nobody is out there thinking about a boat case on a Monday night. Anybody upset about that? Think about all the facts that would have to happen. They would have to know both -- as Mr. Waters said, somebody in the boat case would have to know that they're both there. They would have to know they were there. They would have to know that Alex just wasn't there, oh, no, wait a minute, that he was there but just for a little bit and went back up to the house. And they would have to come -- you know, what? We don't need a gun. There will be guns there for us to use.
Yeah, so that's great circumstantial and direct evidence. I'll get to that. They'll have guns there for us. They'll have guns there for us. We can use it. Does that make any sense whatsoever? Let's talk about murder. Murder is the intentional, malicious killing of another living, breathing human being with malice aforethought. What is malice? Y'all know what malice is. It's the name malice: it's an evil wickedness one person shows to another. Do you know how long it's got to exist? Just like that. The pulling of a trigger, pulling of a trigger, pulling of a trigger, pulling of a trigger, pulling of a trigger, pulling of a trigger. Malice aforethought. It can be expressed when it happens: I'm going to kill you. Or it can be inferred. It can be inferred with the use of one gun. There's no claim of self-defense here. They're claiming they weren't there. It could be inferred with two guns, malice aforethought. And we don't have premeditation in this state.
We don't have to prove premeditation. We don't have to prove motive. I think it's been proven. His world was collapsing. Mr. Griffin goes does that make sense? It did in his mind. His world is collapsing; his world is coming down. This was the only way he could save -- it's the only way -- it's the only way he could save Alex. But if you don't, if that motive -- well, I don't know, is that enough? Is that enough? We don't have to prove motive. We're certainly there. That's one explanation. But if he's down there and he's angry -- this don't sound like a real jovial -- Bubba, don't let me forget about, about Bubba. Bubba, come here. Maybe he just got angry. Maybe he got angry at Paul. Maybe he got angry. You know, we started all of this with the boat case, and maybe he just lost it. Maybe he just lost it. Maybe he wanted it to look like a suicide, and then Maggie came and he had to shoot her. I don't know. Only one person knows. And that's why we've got the motive.
That's why we say he did it. But we don't even have to have motive. Just angry. He did it. Nobody else could have done it; nobody else did do it. I will get to that, and that's how we prove beyond, I want to say, all doubt, but our burden is only reasonable doubt. But losing it. And then you get the question, well, have you proven malice? Well, yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. Two shots to Paul, malicious. The first one didn't do it; the second one finishes him off. Five shots to Maggie, not an accident. One shot, two shots, three shots, four shots, maybe five shots depending on whether this one -- that's malicious. So, if you find he killed them and you get to malice -- I don't think there's any dispute in here about not -- that it's a malicious killing, but I've got to go over that with you, malice aforethought, and then the burden, the burden on us in this case, as in every case that's tried in this wonderful land of ours.
Why this is so great, I agree with him, is beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm going to borrow one of these pointers, if that's okay. It's not beyond all doubt. If that's the case, this courtroom wouldn't have been here historically as long as it has. The law doesn't describe that. And listen to His Honor. And I'm not playing up to him. He is the best. He's the law, listen to him when he reads the law. Beyond a reasonable doubt, it's not beyond all doubt. We can't do that. It's beyond a doubt that would make reasonable folks hesitate to act. I was trying a retrial in a case years ago and the reason it's reasonable doubt was ex-solicitor, Solicitor Wilson, I'll give him credit, describing reasonable doubt, and he says sometimes, you know, questions are just questions. You can't answer every question, and the law doesn't require it. If after hearing all of the evidence you don't, or if you're firmly convinced of the defendant's guilt, you must find him guilty.
If on the other hand you're not firmly convinced, then you must find him not guilty. He goes to see his mother. He goes -- and you see the OnStar taking him up to the side over near the smoke house. We submit to you that's when he went to hide the guns. It's common sense. We submit to you that there's a driveway there, a nice pavement. You can go look at it. It's a nice paved driveway. I submit to you when he came, it was 9:30 at night. The testimony is very unusual, very rare. What's kind of funny is Barbara -- Ms. Mixon, who testified earlier, we talked to her recently. Didn't remember any of the conversations, but said she called and said he told her -- your dad is not doing well. Well, he didn't go over there that afternoon when he got the phone call, when his office is right near there, go see them then. He didn't do that. He waited until 9:30. I don't know if anybody has got any folks who suffer from Alzheimer's, but when they're asleep, they're tired.
He wasn't going to love his mama. He wasn't going to be with her. He was going there because he loves Alex. He loves Alex. And he was going there to create his alibi at 9:30 at night. Use your common sense. And do you remember she said he called? What happened after that? Well, it was about 5 minutes or so. At first I was thinking that's when he was going to hide the guns. And the timeframe over there is so important, not for how long he was from -- left to come back, but it's how long he was in there with Shelley, how long he was in there because that's when he was hiding the guns. The guns are missing, y'all. He was hiding the guns. And what does Shelley say? He didn't stay long, 15 or 20 minutes. He left. And later that week -- and he kind of, just kind of -- later that week, and I don't know which one in my mind right now I'm so tired, but one of days he came by, I think it was after visitation, and he says Shelley, do you remember, I was here about 35 or 40 minutes?
Do y'all remember looking at her up there on the stand and she got visibly upset? I said what's wrong? I asked her, what's wrong? Why -- what's wrong there? Was he there 35 or 40 minutes? No, sir. Why are you upset? It's a good family. Do you think she knew right there? He's coming back to say, hey, I was here 35 or 40 minutes now to visit my mom. Shelley said no, you weren't. So upset that she calls her brother, a police officer in Yemassee. Do you think she knew right then? And that's real. That's real. Shelley is real. You saw her. Body language is so important in life. Body language. Mr. Waters was talking about with the defendant, all of our body language. Did you see Shelley's? And then one day that week never before, never, ever, ever, ever before in 6:30 in the morning, doesn't call. He didn't need a timeline to create for that one because it -- he didn't want a timeline, didn't want a record of that. He comes to see Shelley.
Has he ever been over at that time before? No, sir. What was he carrying? It was some blue vinyl like -- do you remember I tried to -- it was like this. What did you think it was? A tarp. I don't know what it was. And they try to gloss over it now. Do you remember when she was on the stand, I said, well, have you talked to them? Have you talk with their investigators? Yes, sir. Did they record you? Yes, sir. Can I have a copy of it? And then we came back when we got a copy, and two investigators, they were worried about it then, went down and talked to her, and talked to her about her times, and ran times by her, and asked her if she'd ever seen anybody in this blue coat. Have you ever worn it? They were worried about it because that's great circumstantial evidence, the kind that morphs into direct evidence. I saw him come at 6:30. You heard -- we asked one of the experts. Could it stay on there five years? Ten years? Sure. This was days after the murder.
Shelley sees him come in with a blue something. Well, where did he go? He went upstairs. Why? I don't know. Did you see it later. Thought I saw it on the chair. Can't answer every question. Ms. Mixon sure didn't see it the next day. And I asked her. Was there another tarp there? Well, there was a blue and silver tarp, a picture of it, too. That wasn't it, though. This was all blue. And the only other blue tarp that's in evidence -- and I let it go in just so I could argue this right now -- is the tarp that they showed Shelley that they got from K-Mart. That's not real. Is this the tarp? No. It looked like that. I don't know what it was. He had it bundled up. Well, low and behold when we find out this information and they tried to make a deal about it, a big deal about it, I think it makes it more pure. She's at a traffic stop or an accident or something, and she tells the police officer I forgot about this. You can't make it up.
So, they get a search warrant and they go search, and low and behold crumbled in the closet is a blue vinyl something when you pull it out, and it's this jacket. You see that? Evidence of a fact, and another fact that leads to a fact in question. I don't know why he put it in there. I don't know why he killed his wife and son. I don't have to say why. I think he did it to protect the one he loved the most, the one he really loved the most so he could keep his lifestyle and not be embarrassed financially, and he wanted to keep going and loving Alex. I don't know why he kept that jacket. Maybe it was Solicitor Murdaugh's jacket. It was certainly consistent, and it might have been in that truck. I think one of the family said he kept a lot of stuff in that truck. Might have been out in that smoke house. I don't know. But he brought it back in there and hid it at 6:30, days after the killings. And what's inside? Wait a minute, what's on the outside?
Well, there's a little bit of gunshot here and there. What's on the inside? The inside? Minimum of 38 particles. It got so much that Megan Fletcher finally said, you know, we get -- I can't remember the term right now, but we get so many, I just stopped. I would have been there for days. Gunshot residue inside, inside the rain jacket, the blue type garment that Shelley said I saw him carrying something like that. And he got rid of the guns and he's hiding it there for some reason. Thank goodness he did it, and thank goodness for Shelley for bringing that in. That's what he disposed of guns with. And what else happened? She said he left and -- before that, she thought he left, and he came back and he'd moved a ATV, and then he -- said he was in another truck. He came back and then he left. He's disposing and hiding whatever he was doing with that evidence. Only one person knows.
But that blue rain jacket, that tarp was credible circumstantial evidence that he actually did it, and we ask you to consider when you go back there. Is Shelley making that up? How could she make that up? How could she know there would be a blue tarp in that closet, same closet he went -- same stairs he went up, he went upstairs. I can't explain the tarp on the chair, don't have to. We can't answer every question. That doesn't mean it's not reasonable doubt. She saw a blue tarp like was in that closet, and it's got gunshot residue on it a few days after Maggie and Paul were brutally murdered, and that's consistent with every reasonable hypothesis. And another thing he told Shelley the night when they were talking. You're getting married, aren't you? Do you remember her saying that? You're getting married. If you need any money or help with it, let me know. That's incredible timing. Oh, your job, don't you work for the school? You know, I've got friends down there.
I could help you on that if you need it. I was there 35 or 40 minutes, wasn't I, to make up the sequence of facts that lead to the conclusion he's trying to get her to say I was there longer. I wasn't outside longer. Blanca. Blanca loved Maggie. I didn't realize that really until I'd talked to her a few times. I met her a years ago in a federal prison. Remembered when I saw her, remembered her name. But, you know, even when Blanca was -- quit working for them for awhile when -- do you remember she had her health problems? Said she saw Maggie on the road somewhere, and they kind of pulled off, just talked, just, just caught up. Blanca cared about Maggie. She knew her so well. She knew what she wore to bed and what she didn't wear to bed, and that kind of bothered her about the clothes that were laid out, some undergarments which she knew she didn't wear. But Blanca's texting Maggie, Maggie is texting Blanca on June 7th.
And in one of his statements, and I'm going to get to that, he said you know Maggie wanted to come, she wanted to come. Well, no, sir, no, she didn't. She was having work done at Edisto. He tried to say in here today, look, she was in Charleston. She was going back to Edisto. Do you remember the text to Blanca? Well, I left the workers there. I guess it will be okay. He had said come. I want you to come. She didn't want to come. We also know that from her sister, Marian, who had a little regret in here today. You didn't hear much regret from over there, but do you know who regretted, who was real? Marian. I encouraged her to go. She didn't want to go. They got -- you know, it's like siblings. Jane -- Marshall, Jane -- I'm trying to get my siblings on the record -- we love each other, but she had that relationship. We weren't close, but then we got closer as the kids got older and left home. We were close. We talked. One of her best friends.
And she told her why don't you go on over there? She regretted that. But she -- but that refutes his lie, oh, she wanted to come, she wanted to come. No, sir, you wanted her to come. Why? Had he already planned it out? Was his world collapsing? He didn't have to. We don't have to prove it. But he got her there and she wasn't planning on being there. Blanca has got the food ready. She leaves. Let's stay on the real train for a minute. She goes home. She gets a call some time that night, and this is real. What does she do when she hears? She drops the phone. Do you remember that? Her husband had to get on the phone. She dropped the phone, real emotion because she cared about Maggie. That's real. And you remember she described it that day when she left, Alex leaving? I put his shirt up, got his collar on, helped him with -- I assume it was a blue jacket, I don't know. Described the shirt. Remember, just kind of tucked it in.
And on Alex's second interview when he's confronted by David Owen, and he actually showed him the video of the tree. They showed him that. When did you change? What I saw you that night, you were wearing shorts. When did you change? Do you remember what Alex said on that interview? When is that? Are you sure -- what is it -- time was that? And then he told them the time, 7:44, whenever it was. Well, I guess I changed after that. Well, those are the clothes he was wearing when he murdered Maggie and Paul. Those were the clothes. And what does Blanca tell us? That was on August the 11th. She said sometime mid-August -- you know, I can't just make it up -- sometime in mid-August he comes to see her. Do you remember that shirt when I left that day? She said no. I mean, yes. Was it a Vinny Vines shirt? You weren't wearing a Vinny Vines shirt. I fixed your collar. He tries to get her to tell what he was wearing. He tried to get her to say no, you weren't wearing that shirt.
That Columbia shirt, you've got one of those. But guess what? I ain't seen that one since. I have not. Blanca and Shelley, that's great circumstantial evidence. Did you ever see that shirt again? Never saw that shirt again, ever. Where is the shirt? You know what I forgot about Shelley? I don't think this was mentioned. When Shelley sees Alex that night, do you remember what she said about his clothes? Shorts, shirt. Do you know what she said about his shoes? Sperry type cloth shoes. Do you remember that? When David Owens and those get there, and I think I accidentally put some of the dust out on the -- those aren't Sperry shoes. He's changed his shoes again, and I'll get to you in a minute why that's important. He was going to visit his mom. He's got Sperry type shoes, and he comes back put on his tennis shoes. What happened? Is she making that up? Blanca said I've never seen the shoes before.
When I got there the next morning, there was a t-shirt that looked like it had been pulled down and fell on the floor. Where does he keep -- she washes the clothes. Those are clean shirts up there. This is where he kept his shorts. Did he wear these shorts much? No, he didn't wear them much. But she knows that family. She knows where the shorts are and where the shoes are. Do you remember the Sperry shoes? Yeah. Did you see those? I never saw them again. Never saw that shirt again that he was wearing in the video. Never saw it again. And when he confronted her at the house about what he was wearing, yeah, she had real feelings. They told y'all about that, and they told law enforcement about that. Is that real? And why is that important? Because it goes back to credibility and common sense. Those were clean clothes that Shelley had washed -- excuse me, that Blanca had washed. And when we get there on the scene that night, do you remember Laura, Ms. Rutland?
She's sitting in the back, David is in the front, Alex is in the front, his lawyer is on the side? You know, there's something else I don't understand. Your wife and your son had just been killed and you're worried about having a lawyer around. Everybody said, well, you know, they're just SLED agents. You need to have a lawyer around. Really? My wife and son have just been butchered, and I'm worried about having a lawyer? But they did. And that threatening, overbearing, cheating, manipulating -- do you remember when I asked old Dave -- put his hand on his shoulder. So did Laura. What are you doing? I've got a heart. Is that rush to judgment? I've got a heart. They didn't rush to judgment. They were saying tell me what happened. Tell me what happened. Well, then he starts looking at his phone. You can check my phone, the alibis that he's created, that he's doing.
And he says I went and ran -- you remember, I got on my knees over here -- I went and ran and I tried to take the pulse of Paul. I'd still be on the ground if that had been my son. And I tried to turn him over, I kept trying to check his pulse. Really? I went to Maggie, checked her pulse. And you can't do that in the 20 seconds. He's now trying to say he can. You can't. And they've tried to change that. And he never did it because what did she say? What did Ms. Rutland say? He was clean. He was clean. He was clean. He was clean. He washed up. And you hear the water running in the dog video, you hear it. He washed up. And this phone, you know, tried to make a big deal about this phone that you saw. You do see right afterwards when we know he was down there, there's some moving on Maggie's phone. But if you -- but every expert has said just because if one phone is down here and the other one is walking, you're not going to have steps on that phone.
He took Maggie's phone, the golf cart, however he got, drove back up to get those shorts and those -- that shirt. And, yes, you can get it and manipulate it and call to see if you made a call, put it down. That's not going to record steps on that phone because it's not moving. But that doesn't mean it wasn't with his phone. Don't fall for that. That's not real. Every expert said that. Every expert said that. And doesn't that make sense? You can grab it, see, make a call, put it down, and if you keep walking it's not going to record if it's there. It's in the car, it's in the Suburban, and I'm getting to that. So, what happens? And this is why I asked Ms. Rutland -- And they're bringing in drug use. If he did as many pills as said, he'd be dead. You can't take that many pills. That's your common sense. But why I asked her this, I'm asking, and I'm going to look at every one of y'all. Tell me what he was like in that car. You've got the video.
Did he appear to understand you? Yes, sir. Were his answers timely? Yes, sir. Were they subject matter appropriate? Yes. Did you understand him and he can understand you? Look, he's thinking. He's opening the door. Was he in his right mind? Of course he was. And why is that so important? He says he didn't go down there. Is that enough? Yes. With everything else, that's enough. I never went down there. He's in his right mind. I never went down there, Dave. I never went down there, Laura. I never went down there after supper. I stayed up. I took a nap. He goes from taking a nap from 6:00 or 7:00 the next time they met, 6:10, I took a nap. August 15th, you sure you were down there -- or up there taking -- yeah, I took a nap. I never went down there, never, ever, ever. Do you think he would have taken the stand and said, you know, I was down there, y'all, if that video hadn't come out on that phone? Well, no. Now, on Mr. Waters's cross-examination I lied.
Why did you lie? I wrote it down; I'm still not clear. I had paranoid thoughts. Usually I can take a deep breath and get through it, but I couldn't, so I just lied. Once I lied, I continued to lie. And he continued and continued and continued until 627 days later when he took this stand and the first time he'd ever told anybody, anybody. He told his family, he told his friends, he told everybody, and they believed him: I wasn't down there. Why is that so critical? That's the time of death; that's when it happened. That's what the records show. That's when the conversation -- yes, it is important. Paul, who used his phone all the time. Paul, who's in a conversation about the dogs interacting. Well, send me the picture. He does. And then he stops. Yes, that's when it happens. And then Maggie's phone, a little bit of text, she reads that text. I think she went to her car. Y'all can decide. Nobody knows. One person knows.
She goes to her car, and she's got some rings there she's putting back on. I think she's got two rings there and she's putting on another one in the car. Maybe they'd been working at the kennels. There's one shooter, there's only one. And she hears that shot and she comes back around. She hears the shot. She reads the last text. Y'all will have it in there. I think she opens the thing about Solicitor Murdaugh. He doesn't -- and then you don't see anything else. You don't see anything else on the phone, so is that common sense? Yeah. That's when they were gone. Yes, yes, when the interaction was, yes. That's common sense. And that's why it is so important. You want to help law enforcement? You're in law enforcement. I was down there. Y'all know what? I was down there. I didn't take that nap as long as I did. Well, did you hear anything? Why would you not give that information? Okay, then the 10th with his lawyer, Mr. Griffin, in the car. Did you go down there? No.
Look at him. Is he coherent? Is he under the influence of anything? Is he withdrawing? No. I want to help y'all. I want to help you. And then on the 15th, here's this video. It's you and the tree. Now, Rogan says he thought he heard you down there. I don't think so. Why not say it then? Think about it. Well, it's just Rogan's word. Does that make any sense? No, sir, I can handle that. He made a mistake like Shelley did, like Blanca and the clothes. No, sir. I can handle that, though. But when the video comes out, he's stuck. He's stuck. I'm going to try and wrap up. Yesterday morning at 2:53 in the morning -- I don't sleep much during trials, but I kind of woke up, and what he did when he took the stand was corroborated that he's a liar. He corroborated the fact that he doesn't tell the truth, the one thing that was more important than anything.
And, you know, they're putting these law enforcement on trial, talking about blood evidence, talking about other things that were presented to the grand jury, which you -- that blood evidence was investigated, and the State didn't offer it. That's what you do when you're a prosecution. Didn't try to offer it. Now they're trying to put us on trial for doing our job. Think about that. Blame everybody else. Look, they've looked into this and it didn't turn out to be, so now we're going to blame them. We didn't try to present it. Isn't that ironic? They're now jamming us for doing our job. Jamming us for doing our job. All the evidence of the guns -- and I'm going to get to that in a minute -- the timeline, the credible timeline, his lies, all of that, the gunshot residue, all of that is presented. And do we make mistakes? Yes, and that happens in life.
But you don't lie and misremember being at the scene of a murder when you said you weren't even there, or being at the scene where your family was brutally murdered. You don't lie about that. That's not a mistake. That's not a mistake. This is The State of South Carolina v. Richard Alexander Murdaugh, not the State v. David Owens, not versus SLED. And I want to tell you something. SLED, Walterboro, Laura Rutland, who's working with David Owens, SLED starts working with the FBI. They're working together. This is -- think about it, rush to judgment? They gave that man every benefit of the doubt. What are y'all doing? How is it going? Do you remember that third interview when David Owen said, well -- and I submit to you they're taking those interviews where he's trying to come find out what they've got on him -- well, how is this thing looking? How is this thing looking?
Well, we've got your shell casings by Maggie's body out there when y'all shot at the range, and some shots out there on the side of the house. The shell casings, they all came from the same gun, all cylindered in the same gun. Do you think if they had been -- if they could have found an expert to refute that they would have? And Alex goes, oh, really. So, the gun was there? Do you see his reaction? They all came from the same gun on Maggie. Now, the other one, Mr. Griffin tried to argue, Paul Greer, yeah it could have come from that shotgun, don't know. Is that credible evidence? But it could have. Not saying it did or didn't, but it certainly could have. He's got that gun, he's got Maggie's blood on it, don't know if he used that or not. But I know the assault rifle is missing.
And Will Loving who comes from a fine family in Columbia, I can tell you that, says we were down here not in March, it was more like May -- April or May, we were shooting his gun on the side of the house, and those shell casings, that's where they found him. And low and behold the shell casings matched the shell casings around Maggie. They were all cylindered on the same gun. They came out of the same gun. They've been in the same gun. Yes, Mr. Waters is right: that's a family-owned gun. And is that incredible circumstantial and direct evidence? Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir, it is. That's powerful. You can feel it like the rain. The murderers come in. There will be a gun there. We'll just use their gun. Does that make any sense? Y'all are too young. Do you ever watch Columbo? When I first looked at this case, this is an episode of Columbo, except this is real.
And you get to see one of my heroes, the detective, didn't always look that good, wasn't all that, but you got to see the crime, and then you got to see them figure it out, the mistakes they made, and that's what happened here. He killed them. He thought he could get a timeline but it got him. Within 20 seconds, he's texting Maggie with that phone when he's passing the location of her phone. Is it common sense he threw through that phone out, called her and threw it? Threw it and the orientation didn't go on. They say if you pick it up, yes. And we had somebody come in here. You throw -- you throw it rough and it doesn't come on. And what are the chances it's anything else? He would have almost had to bump into him, almost have to bump into him. And you take his new story. I was down there until 8:50, whatever, go up and take a quick nap, come back. He didn't hear the shots. Just happens to come back. It's common sense. Don't leave it with you, take it back there with you.
I'm down there -- and my wife told me this -- I'm down there under this new story, and the deal was to come talk, go see my mama at 9:30, and you're right down there and you've just seen them. Now, well, you said you hadn't even see them. Don't forget that, and you go up to the house. Why don't you say, hey, Maggs I'm going to go -- I'm going to go see Mom real quick. It's just a few minutes later. No. You go up there. You take a quick nap. You know what? I'm going to try and call them and let them know I'm going down there. Does that make any sense? And then when you get to the Y, you'll see the light. When y'all went out there yesterday, those trees were much lower. Go back there and look at the way it was. And I think even Buster even said when you get down there, if the lights are on you can just see. Why don't you just go on over there? Hey, I am just going down there, you know? He doesn't hear anything, doesn't do anything. He just takes off. He just takes off.
Does that make any sense? We've proved that nobody else could have done it with that timeline. Does it matter when he is rushing back? Yeah. I doubt he's ever killed two people before, so he's not thinking. He's frantic. Puts the wrong two shells in the gun. Coming back, he's got Maggie's phone. It had been sitting there. That's why the steps weren't on there, he's moving, and he gets it: do I take this phone with me? He's a lawyer, so he tosses it out. That's the only thing that makes sense. And what did he say about Paul's phone when he went up there? I started to get it and I didn't know I had got it. I don't -- and then it just kind of popped out, too. Does that make any sense? You've got to evaluate everything. If you can't believe somebody's credible on one thing, how can you believe them on the ultimate issue when they said they didn't, when the only things they corroborated for you throughout the investigation, throughout this trial, and throughout Mr.
Waters's cross- examination is he's a liar? And that's all you can judge people on. There were three witnesses that were beautiful, that were uncontroverted, and one was Paul. He didn't testify to you up on the stand, but he testified through Dr. Riemer, and he testified through his phone. And there is so beautiful of evidence, it's so pure. He didn't know he took that video. That's why he said he wasn't down there, and this is beyond all doubt, we respectfully submit. Paul knew. Dad, I've got some insurance. I've got some insurance, not the kind of insurance you've made money off of, and insurance some clients you gave back and some you didn't. I've got some insurance on you. I don't know why you killed me. I made some mistakes. You heard a lot of good things about Paul, too. I know I put your life -- opened your life, your fake life, with this boat case, your finances are coming out, I know that. But if you go lie and say you weren't down here, I got you.
I don't know when it'll come out. Maybe you'll go ahead and lie, but this is going to come out. Paul had that insurance on him, and maybe that's why he was worried about that phone, and you can't make that up. Because you remember when I asked David Owens did anybody else in the world, in the world know that that video was out there except Paul? No, sir. And that's incredible evidence, and it did sit there until law enforcement working together, the state, the locals, SLED, everybody got it out. And that's great law enforcement. Thank you, yes, and that's when the case changed, along with all of the other evidence. Maggie testified to you. He shot me here; he shot me here. And look at all of the shell casings around her. Y'all look at them. They're the same ones that Will Loving shot with Paul; they're the same ones that had been shot down there. Yeah, it came out of the same gun. That is great direct and circumstantial.
And finally, finally -- and my daughter-in-law, Sally, and my aunt Sissy -- still calls my dad, Jack -- my daughter-in-law, been married about three months, one of the happiest days of my life -- because they were watching that kennel video, she and her dog, Tater. And when Bubba barked and somebody had jumped up and fed Bubba, Tater barked. And Sally said isn't it something that your best witness in here are the dogs? You know, some people say they've got a sixth sense. Do you think Bubba knew? Do you think Bubba knew something? They got Alex to say something: Bubba. Thank God for Bubba. DNA, and that DNA, when people live together, you'll have it all over your shirt. That's not it. The DNA in this case, that dog negates all. Thank you, Bubba. And guess where Bubba is now? Bubba is with Blanca. Bubba is with Blanca. You can't make that up, and that puts him down there, and that's the lie he told, and he told and he told: I wasn't down there. Why aren't y'all doing something, law enforcement? Why aren't you telling us you were down there? Why aren't you telling us you were down there? Beg the Court's indulgence.
(Break in proceedings.)
MR. MEADORS: Thank you. If he tried to respond to Maggie's phone as Mr. Griffin said, it would show that he was going to Almeda. He had to get rid of that phone. He had to get rid of it there. Finally, it's a book of Your Greatest Power. My dad gave it to me when I was young. He said read it, Your Greatest Power. Do you know what it is? Your greatest power is your power to choose, choice. We've all got it. We're born with it. We use it every day. We use it when we treat people, whether we say hey when we're nice. Whether we forgive people. We make good decisions, we make bad decision. But what my dad always told me: don't blame anybody else. If you make a good choice, that's good. Don't get too cocky. Be humble, but that's good. But if you make a bad choice, you're responsible for it. There are consequences. It's your greatest power. And for whatever was going on in his mind, his world is collapsing, is coming down, all of his world is coming down financially.
He's confronted that day by somebody at his law firm. Where is that check? He's got another hearing coming up. It's motive. Don't have to have it, but, yeah, it's there. And is this rational? Do you remember when he said that, is that rational? Was it rational to be on the side of the road and claim you're shot, and when you're in the ambulance -- and go watch this if you need to -- and you're talking to the officer in the ambulance, and you say what happened? Oh, by the way, he wanted to kill himself? He called 911. He called 911. When he told the officer in the ambulance, well, what happened? What happened? Some guy shot me. Even did a sketch. He faked the sketch. What did he tell the guy in the ambulance? It sounded like a shotgun. He's trying -- his world -- and he says there in that last interview with -- the call-in interview, Mr. Harpootlian and Mr. Griffin which you've got in there, Ryan, I'm sorry. I lied about everything. I was under a lot of pressure.
I had a lot going on. Really? Your wife and your son were murdered three months ago, and now you're -- this is the real Alex -- well, my world is coming down, my world. Alex's world is coming down. He's being confronted by his law partners, losing his job, now it's me, my world is being affected. Not about that, but now I'm sorry I lied. I've lied about everything. Alex, Richard Alex Murdaugh loved -- I think he loved Maggie, I think he loved Paul, but you know who he loved more than that? Do you know who he loved more than that? And who he was going to make sure that that -- wanted to make sure that that life, whom he loved? Alex. And he exercised his greatest power of choice is to make sure that life continued, or tried, and he couldn't. And now, ladies and gentlemen, after His Honor charges you, you're going to go back there and exercise your greatest power. Based on the evidence you've heard, the evidence you haven't heard, the credibility, the believability of the witnesses, and especially of Richard Alexander Murdaugh, who has lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and it's been okay. It got you through. It stops here. We respectfully request it stops here today. No, it's not okay, and we're going to exercise our greatest power and find you guilty of killing Maggie and Paul. Thank you.
JURY CHARGE
JUDGE NEWMAN: Ladies and gentlemen, you've now heard the evidence and you have heard closing arguments. Next up will be jury charge, and then your deliberations. We're at lunchtime. We're going to take a break for an hour and 15 minutes for lunch, and we'll come back and I'll charge you on the law, and you will deliberate. Please do not discuss the case.
(The jury left the courtroom.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: If everyone will be seated. When we resume, I intend to go directly into the charge to the jury. When I'm charging the jury, no one comes, no one leaves. Before we break for lunch, are there any matters to discuss regarding the jury charge?
MR. GRIFFIN: I think the State emailed a revised charge on the other pending charges, which we don't have an objection to. I don't know if Your Honor --
JUDGE NEWMAN: We received it and incorporated that into our charge.
MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you.
JUDGE NEWMAN: With corrections with a typo here and a typo there.
MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, sir. We don't have any additional charges or anything, Your Honor.
MR. WATERS: With that addition, we don't have any either.
JUDGE NEWMAN: All right. We'll be in recess for an hour and 15 minutes.
(A lunch break was taken.)
JUDGE NEWMAN: If you will bring the jury.
(The jury returned to the courtroom.)
COURT BAILIFF: The jury is present, sir.
JUDGE NEWMAN: All right. Thank you.